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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 11:59 AM
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Why did bush sign the stem cell research veto in private?
Wouldn't he want all kinds of pomp and circumstance as he bows to his slave holders? Wouldn't he want the denizens of pulpits throughout the land to see him on his knees, doing their bidding?

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/19/bush-bars-media/

There must be a great deal of shame in his action if he doesn't want the video of him doing it being used in campaign ads this fall.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:00 PM
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1. because he is a coward, BOSSHOG
he likes to pander to his ignorant base low-key
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:02 PM
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3. Low-key pandering - I love it
Yes, Reverend dobson I promise to pander but lets keep it low key so the sane citizens won't notice.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:08 PM
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4. that's it
which makes the pandering even worse because the lying little bastard KNOWS most Americans do not agree with this nonsense
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SledDriver Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:02 PM
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2. So that no one would see the giggling murderer actually giggling.
unreal
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Karmageddon Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:11 PM
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5. He's more afraid of the media than of terrorists
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shugh514 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:17 PM
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6. He probably celebrated with his base behind closed doors
They can all fit into one room now.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:20 PM
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7. In all seriousness,
it was probably a political move by rove. He knew the signing would/could be used in political ads against the repugs this fall. It will still be used, but a signing image would have been stronger.
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Son Of Spy Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 05:22 PM
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21. one room...
Too bad it's still the oval office :)

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MOHAWK02 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:21 PM
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8. Stem Cell Research
Why don't we spread the truth that the private sector is spending plenty of money for stem cell research. The tax payer should not be paying for something that Johnson&johnson, Novartis. and others are using their dollars for. It should also be mentioned that there was funding proposed by the President for use in alternative Stem Cell Research where a embryo would not be destroyed. Congress voted against it. Can we say playing politics, or would that go against the DU thinking?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:30 PM
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9. Welcome to DU
While I agree that private enterprise in this issue may be a good idea, my issue is with the spending of tax dollars. If we can spend a billion a week in Iraq because bush just had to be a "war president" then we can throw a few bucks to research the cure for diseases. And a skeptical citizen might think that private sector drug makers don't want the government involved in such research (ya know oversight and all) so they lean on their boy in the white house, who is also being leaned on by the religiously insane.

And please share with us your idea of why he chose not to publicize his first veto with pomp and circumstance surrounded by snowflakes and drug company execs.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:39 PM
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11. How do you feel about the corporate welfare going to Haliburton?
:shrug:

Are your feelings as strong across the board, or are they narrowed by the embryo angle?

Because there are a whole SHITLOAD of companies making money off this bullshit War on Terror nonsense, most of them owned by Repuke coward assfucks.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:45 PM
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15. Because that's a lie.
If enough were being spent on stem cells this wouldn't even be an issue, no would it?
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 02:11 PM
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18. this is not entirely true
For example, two places research is done here in Ohio, Ohio State and Battelle receive federal funds for research.

According to the latest figures available from the Nation Science Foundation, in 2004 of the 518 million dollars spent on research at OSU, $284.6 million were federal funds, half of that from the National Institute for Health.

Douglas Kniss, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology and biomedical engineering and the senior associate vice president for research at Ohio State:
Only a few universities and a few biotechnology companies have raised private money for embryonic stem cell research in the U.S. So far, however, no new human embryonic stem cell lines have been derived in the U.S. with public or private money since 2001.


Ohio behind other states for stem cell research,
http://www.thelantern.com - 5/16/06

Battelle Memorial Institute, according to the Nation Science Foundation in 2003, ranked 6th in independent non-profit institutions for federal R&D funds, receiving 122.8 million, $51.7 million from the Department of Health and Human Services. Battelle also holds contracts for the operation and management of several national laboratories, 41st on the 2005 List of Top 100 Federal Prime Contractors.

Said Stanford Nobel laureate Paul Berg, a critic of the administration: "What many people don't understand is it is not just the money.'' Equipment and laboratory space supported with federal dollars cannot be used for research with the newer stem-cell lines, he said. That's why money directed toward research from California and other states "is not the whole answer.''

Dr. Irving Weissman, a stem-cell researcher and director of Stanford's Institute for Stem Cell Biology and Regenerative Medicine, agrees that the federal restrictions have impeded stem-cell work. He noted, for example, that analyzing the genes from new stem-cell lines cannot be done at federally funded facilities on the university campus.


http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/15080713.htm
Veto rattles stem-cell efforts

Indeed, the only way to ensure that stem cell research across the United States is conducted in an ethical, regulated, and transparent fashion, and that allows U.S. scientists to lead, is to broaden federal support. As the National Academies reported in Stem Cells and the Future of Regenerative Medicine:

Human stem cell research that is publicly funded and conducted under established standards of open scientific exchange, peer review, and public oversight offers the most efficient and responsible means to fulfill the promise of stem cells to meet the need for regenerative medical therapies.


www.lifesciences.umich.edu/research/featured/aauletter.pdf
Association of American Universities
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:20 PM
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10. Because he's a coward
just like his Dad was.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:39 PM
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12. because he knows it's an epic LOSER for the GOP in November n/t
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:43 PM
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13. Wouldn't the video of him
signing the veto make an awesome campaign ad. karl must have thought the same thing. I recall on crossfire a few years ago, a republican said they looked forward to using the video of bush on the aircraft carrier in the 2004 elections. The democrat said "we do too!"
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:46 PM
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16. Dingdingding.......
a gold star for the lady, please!

TC
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:48 PM
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17. thanks
I was on the verge of being pelted with rotten fruit earlier today ...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 01:43 PM
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14. At this point it really wouldn't surprise me if he didn't actually veto it
he just told everyone he did and no one questioned it.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 03:03 PM
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19. No kidding - think there might have been one of his infamous ....
'signing statements' attached to it after the snowflake party was over?

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 04:00 PM
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20. hardly hidden -- big event after the signing
Its silly to say that chimpy was hiding this veto. He signed it in private and then went out had a big event with the press and a bunch of "adopted embryo" babies where he discussed the veto. The only thing he did in private was sign the statement, something that isn't that unusual (My guess is that of Bill Clinton's 36 vetoes, more were signed in private than in public ceremonies).

Chimpy's veto was heartless and indefensible. But it wasn't hidden.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 05:23 PM
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22. for the same reason Clinton signed DOMA at midnight
in private.
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