Israel troops massing on Lebanese border

From Yahoo news:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060721/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel_307;_ylt=ApoV_4NFQLd_URMtbpvBJY0UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Israel troops massing on Lebanese border

By SAM F. GHATTAS, Associated Press Writer 30 minutes ago

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israel massed tanks and troops on the border, called up reserves and warned civilians to flee Hezbollah-controlled southern Lebanon as it prepared Friday for a likely ground invasion to set up a deep buffer zone.

The army's chief of staff said forces would conduct ground operations as needed in Lebanon, but they would be "limited." Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz also said nearly 100 Hezbollah guerrillas have been killed in the offensive in Lebanon.

"We will fight terror wherever it is because if we do not fight it, it will fight us. If we don't reach it, it will reach us," Halutz said in a nationally televised news conference. "We will also conduct limited ground operations as much as needed in order to harm the terror that harms us."

An Israeli envoy said the nation will allow aid supplies into Lebanon, a day after the United Nations warned of a growing humanitarian crisis in the country.

Israeli tanks near the Israeli town of Avivim, along the Lebanese border, July 21, 2006.

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PB

Here are the stats:


Weight (t) 61
Length 7600 mm
Length (cannon forward) 8780 mm
Max. Width 3700 mm
Max. Height 2760 mm
range (road) 500 km
Forward speed (max) 55 kph
F. speed (average,terrain) 38 kph
Reverse speed 25 kph
Engine 882kW TCM diesel
AVDS-1790-9AR
Vertical obstacle climb 1 m
Maximum width ditch 3.5 m
Fording Depth 1.38 (2) m
fuel tank (l) 1250
Main Gun 120mm cannon
Coaxial machinegun 7.62mm
Anti-personnel machinegun 2 x7.62mm
Commander's machinegun 12.7 mm
Light Mortar 60 mm

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I am praying for the killing to stop ASAP.

It would seem perfectly okay for the Israelis to arrest and hold without charges Lebanese or Palestinians?

Neither sides hands are clean in this fiasco, and we ALL need to acknowledge that very simple truth!

I don't know the exact number but it was high. Sort of like Gitmo, no charges, no trials.

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How much persecution and subjugation do a people have to suffer before life is so miserable for them that they will resort to ANY means they can come up with to strike back at their oppressors?

I say conditions have to be pretty damn bad and hopeless before people decide suicide bombing as an option to hit their oppressors.

These shameful conditions that Israel is guilty of bringing onto the Palestinian people is a crime beyond measure.

And do you care to post some links to where the Koran preaches what you accuse? I admit I never read it, so I am unaware of it preaching suicide bombing. On the other hand, I do know that the Old Testament glorifies murdering every man, woman and child in the various terrorist acts committed by people such as Joshua, etc. But I've never read the Koran, so you'll have to show me where it says to use children as suicide weapons.

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"How many Christians strapping bombs Vs. how many Muslims?"

Not that I am defending criminal acts, because I certainly won't. But what else do they have to fight back with? And like I said: "The question is more like, how much persecution and subjugation do a people have to suffer before life is so miserable for them that they will resort to any means they can come up with to strike back at their oppressors? I say conditions have to be pretty damn bad and hopeless before people decide suicide bombing as an option to hit their oppressors. These shameful conditions that Israel is guilty of bringing onto the Palestinian people is a crime beyond measure." -- These suicide attacks just don't happen for no reason.

In response to the atrocities you speak of from the very ancient Muslims in India. Again, not that I defend any atrocity from any side. But at least they allowed people to live Vs. the atrocities of the Old Testament heroes who's policy was to slaughter everyone and let no one live, except in some cases taking some young virgin females as basically sex slaves. So if you're going to try and play tit for tat with me. Believe you me, you'll run-out of tit long before I run-out of tat.

Now as far as bringing up Christians. Don't even try to use Christians as an example with me. All you had to do is take a look at both my name and my sig to realize that. I'll remind you what Christians did to my people after this next point.

NOBODY has cut a wider swath of death & destruction as the Christian has throughout history. "How many Christians strapping bombs Vs. how many Muslims you ask?" None that I am aware of, but you don't seem to realize why that is.

Now, how many Muslims do you see going around the world conducting covert operations consisting of organizing terrorist groups and funding them to overthrow (usually) democratically elected governments and replacing them with tyrant dictators who use terrorist death squads against the people -- all in the name of exploiting that nation's natural resources? The answer to that question is also none that I am aware of. Who does this you ask? The CIA, who I think its safe to say are mostly "Christians". Here's just a few examples. Believe me there are plenty more other examples:

1953 The CIA overthrows the Iran democratically elected leader Mohammad Mosaddeq in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK (a CIA creation), is as brutal as the Gestapo

1954 The CIA overthrows the Guatemala democratically elected leader Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize land which some of it the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company operated on, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Some of that land he was going to give back to the people was land he and his family owned. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.

1957 - 1973 The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

Now as for what "Christians" did to my people; which totally dwarfs what you mention about ancient Muslims. And I might add, happened much closer in time.

Lets us not forget what the "border jumping" Christians did to my people (Mesoamericans). The Christian European destruction of the native peoples of the Americas was the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world. 95% of my ancestors were killed in the tens and tens of millions from Christians. The Aztec of Mexico, The Inca of South America, The 500 Nations of North America all suffered history's worst genocide by the hands of "Christians". Reference

And it wasn't enough for them to commit this despicable holocaust. No, they also systematically sought to destroy our culture, our religions and even our language.

Throw in the atrocities that the Christian visited upon the Africans he enslaved, and this is the legacy of the blood thirsty, war mongering, greedy "Christian" with respect to America's history.

No peace, never again.

have they ever obeyed any?......the media constantly throws out the 1559 one against Lebanon.....but no mention of all 68 or 69 against Israel.....

...in the interest of avoiding inflammation.

The sooner Israel 'clears out' Hezbollah in southern Lebanon the sooner this will end for the poor Lebanese people. So sad :-(

I'll bet that a specific region of Lebanon will be annexed by Israel after all the bombs are dropped and all the children are killed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2249599.stm

Bush seems to have got some thing he wanted. We now have a number of countries voting for their own government in the Middle East. Not that it makes Bush happy as they did not vote as he likes. Even Israel so called democracy leaves a lot of people with out freedom so it also is a dem. with strings. That is if we wish to label any one who votes for their leaders dem. even in this country being a minority is putting us in a place to be almost classed as un-american. Odd. I Really needs some time to think this stuff over.

I can't stand anymore killing , first they bomb the hell out of their ports and all exits and now they roll in on sitting ducks with no way out , it is sick and repulsive no matter who is doing the killing .