A question to the Clark supporters attacking Dean over his faith...

TLM

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Thu Dec-25-03 06:25 PM
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A question to the Clark supporters attacking Dean over his faith...

Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 06:26 PM by TLM

Where were your atacks when Clark said...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3607144

And I think that we as a Democratic Party have got to appeal and recognize the importance of a spiritual dimension.

And I certainly do. I do pray. I do believe in the good Lord. And he�s been a very important influence in my life. And I�m not afraid to say that.

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SahaleArm

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Thu Dec-25-03 06:28 PM
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1. Answering a question in the context of a Debate versus Pandering...

Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 06:41 PM by SahaleArm

on Christmas day about finding that old time religion as Jesus Dean did in his Boston Globe interview. Mr. Secular became a born-again Christian.

Context is important:

BROKAW: General Clark, let me ask you a question about the Democratic Party�s connection to the so-called faith community in America.

The �Economist� recently quoted some statistics from the last election: 63 percent of the people who said they attended church weekly voted for George W. Bush for president; 61 percent of those who said they never went to church voted for Al Gore.

Is that any kind of a commentary on the Democratic Party and its connection to the growing influence of the so-called faith community in American politics?

CLARK: Well, I know that there are concerns about the connection. And I know that the Republican Party is working as well as it can and doing as much as it can to try to strengthen this connection.

But the Republican Party does not have the monopoly on faith in this country, and there are just as many Democrats who believe in religion, they go to church, they read the Bible, they say their prayers, they believe in God as there are Republicans. And I think that you�ll see that in this next election.

I think what you had in 2000 may have been unique. And I think maybe the president, President Bush, had a compelling personal story about that.

But, you know, there are a lot of people who have compelling personal stories. And I think that we as a Democratic Party have got to appeal and recognize the importance of a spiritual dimension.

And I certainly do. I do pray. I do believe in the good Lord. And he�s been a very important influence in my life. And I�m not afraid to say that.

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stickdog

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Thu Dec-25-03 06:51 PM
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3. Context? Like the context of today being Christmas? (nt)

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SahaleArm

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Thu Dec-25-03 06:53 PM
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4. Why wasn't Dean's professed love of Jesus done months ago?

Instead of on Christmas day -> Panderer

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Scott Lee

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Thu Dec-25-03 06:57 PM
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5. Why is professing love of Christ on Christmas "pandering"?

You still havent answered that. Would you prefer he did it, say, during a hail mary pass on Superbowel weekend?

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SahaleArm

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Thu Dec-25-03 07:01 PM
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6. He quit a church over a bike path, doesn't go to church, and is now...

Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 07:02 PM by SahaleArm

a Born again Christian? Yes doing this on Christmas day is pandering when he run his whole campaign telling people to stop voting on "God, Guns, and Gays". Ho Ho is being a hyprocrite on Christmas; this whole charade reeks of phoniness.

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carpetbagger

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Thu Dec-25-03 06:49 PM
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2. Dean is a very awkward candidate.

I wish him well should he win the nomination, but he comes across sounding like "I'm from the northeast, and we're not like middle America". That kind of campaign will get our clocks cleaned out in 35 states or more.

Don't think I don't like the guy. I do. I'm a liberal Christian born in New York who went into rural family practice in the northeast after medical school, and I'm married to someone whose ethnically Jewish as well. I just think the guy is an awkward candidate who will lose the beauty contest in the fall, and I care too much about getting the things done that Dean talks about.

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mike from ri

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Thu Dec-25-03 07:40 PM
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10. yes, very awkward

from the "confederate flag", to "some people have religious beliefs" to the latest effort there is something very self-conscious about dean trying to transcend the culture gap. as a cerebral Easterner w no military connections and an uninspiring personal background he lacks all of Clark's luster and appeal to middle America.

his awkward attempt to overcome his deficiencies remind me of Michael Dukakis and his tank.

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Trajan

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Thu Dec-25-03 07:08 PM
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7. Attack ... Attack .... ATTACK ! ! ! .......

Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 07:08 PM by Trajan

Dean supporters attack Clark supporters ...

Clark supporters attack Dean supporters ...

Most attacks personal, and without significant probative value ....

Cheap, gratuitous personal attacks ....

Attack ...

Attack ...

ATTACK ! ! ! ...

Tsk Tsk ...

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SahaleArm

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Thu Dec-25-03 07:14 PM
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8. Grrr...

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leetrisck

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Thu Dec-25-03 07:15 PM
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9. Find nothing wrong with what he said or with

what Clark said. Wish them both well. I would just take it to mean if a crowd wanted to discuss or ask questions about religion, he would do so and they probably will come up more in some parts of the country more so than others. I'm ssure if the people in the Northeast wanted to ask questions and discuss it, he would have. Feel private about my own faith but would not hesitate to discuss or answer questions about it even though it's not something I'm used to doing.

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