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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:25 PM
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Here's what I don't understand about the Connecticut results...
If more Democrats were energized to come out and support Lamont, and

If 22,000 unaffiliated voters switched their registration to Democrat (presumably to support Lamont), and

If Lieberman support was so soft,

Then why was it only 52-48? It should have been a landslide for Lamont. What happened? What are we overlooking?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:26 PM
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1. How many Republicans switched to Democrats in order to...
prop up Lieberman? That is the question.

www.nedlamont.com
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:28 PM
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5. That's what I think happened, too.
It would help explain why the final tally was so much closer that the poll from the week before.
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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:38 PM
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11. No this is wrong.
No Republicans could switch parties after sometime in May. Now, undeclared/unaffiliated Republicans, maybe.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:35 PM
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7. Didn't happen. Republicans had to switch four months ago
Back when Joe was 20 points up. I doubt more than two of them switched party affiliation at that point. Why would they? Just in case? There was also a Republican primary Tuesday, so they wouldn't have been able to vote in their own primaries, either.

I've heard this meme several times today, but believe me, Republicans had no direct influence on the voting. Unless they're all Kreskins with crystal balls.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:27 PM
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2. Maybe some of those who switched were GOPs supporting Lieberman.
And maybe Bill Clinton convinced some fencesitters to stick with Lieberman.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:27 PM
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3. Why do you presume the switch was to support Lamont?
I wonder whether the switchers were former repugs or repugs in Independent clothing.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:28 PM
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4. What you are overlooking:
The Awesome Power of Incumbency.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:45 PM
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13. That's exactly it
It was missing here in 2004 also. Not enough acknowledgment of the edges Bush had.

And it's why 2008 is so vital. It's almost like a 2 for 1, given the huge edge a presidential incumbent has if the party has been in power only one term. Now 9 for 10 since 1900. We would be a big favorite in 2012 with a win in 2008.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:29 PM
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6. I have several questions
I am puzzled too. With over 2 million registered voters in CT, why did Lamont only get 146,587 votes?
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:37 PM
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10. It was a primary in an off presidential year.
I'd be surprised to see the national turnout in November higher than 15%. This is why Republicans are all very much still in the hunt everywhere. Republicans turnout to vote. Democrats may or may not turnout.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:39 PM
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12. Oh, come on...this isn't rocket science!
Joe is our state's "celebrity" Senator. He brings recognition to the state. He has done lots of good for CT over his tenure. He is an 18-year incumbant. The primary was in August, the first-ever in CT. We had historic turnout, over 40%.

Then some no-name schmoe sneaks up and knocks Joe of his pedestal in short order, virtually unprecedented in modern politics. And DUers are still whining that somehow it wasn't good enough???? WTF, you want hookers and cigarettes, too?
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:57 AM
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21. Democratic primary.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 08:03 AM by calico1
Only registered Democrats can particiapte. And for those of you who feel it just wasn't good enough consider a few things: Lieberman is a well established 18 year incumbent with big name recognition. He had the backing of the Democratic establishment, the endorsement of all but one newspaper, the MSM on his side. Lamont was an unknown just a few short months ago. The fact that he was able to beat Lieberman is an amazing feat because of the fact that he wasn't just up against Lieberman but also the MSM, most Democrats in Congress, etc. What did people expect? A 30% margin of victory? :shrug: And as for the seemingly low voter turnout it was actually high for this state. Biggest primary turnout in CT history. This was not a general election. It was a Democratic primary!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:35 PM
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8. A poll Monday showed Lieberman had cut the lead to 6
from (I think it was) better than 10% at one time. Momentum would explain the final 4% win. Phenomena like that often make people say things like "if we had another week, we would have won." That overlooks the fact that, in a Senate race for example, someone has been running for reelection for the last 5 1/2 years.
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:36 PM
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9. In CT the Party Machine is powerful
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 09:39 PM by kohodog
And so is (was) Lieberman. You're uncle has a state job and you're a delegate to the convention? A vote for Lamont could cost him his job. That's still the way it works here. A number of delegates reportedly stayed away so as not to feel obligated to vote for Joe. In the primary I suspect Joe got some votes out of fear of a three way race costing House pick ups (and I think that is the real issue with the Joe Party).

Regardless, a 1% victory would still have been amazing. In December no one had heard of Ned, and as he put it, when he started he was an asterisk. Six months later he made every politician in America take notice. The people are paying attention and they are pissed.

52-48? It was heard around the world and is significant.

edit: sp
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:46 PM
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14. My problem is not with the margin
my concern is that we are looking at the result and misreading the causes and effects of what went into it. Obviously Lieberman's support was not nearly as soft as some thought, or the fact that Lamont presented a progressive alternative was not a primary reason for the high turnout. Also, even though Lieberman's campaign stumbled seemingly every day, missed opportunities, or shot itself in the foot many times, the margin was still very close.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:49 PM
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15. Like Skinner said, the results are AMAZING...
When you consider the The "Awesome Power of Incumbency"



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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:01 PM
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18. The results are indeed amazing
not to mention wonderful. A one vote victory would have made my day. Also, do not discount the millions Lieberman spent in the last few weeks. And the national media suddenly flipped. The media took Ned from a dark horse darling who generated ratings to a sort of "oh shit, what have we done, we'd better get back to our safe money guy" flip where suddenly Lamont and his supporters were the angry-anti-american-left-wing-crack-pots. Some Dems bought into the MSM fear mongering and Lieberman's outright lies and misrepresentations.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:49 PM
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16. On the Diane Rehm Show EJ Dionne said that back in Feb. Lieberman
did a poll about a anti-war candidate and the poll said it was dead even.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:57 PM
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17. There are only three other times in the last 30 years
that an incumbent Senator has been defeated in a primary.

52-48 IS a landslide, in terms of defeating an incumbent Senator in a primary.
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GardeningGal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:12 PM
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19. There are some that think that Independents tend to vote
Republican. I had never heard that before, and since I've always been registered as an Independent I was surprised by it also. So it's very possible that a significant number of those that switched from being Independents are more conservative than liberal.

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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:49 AM
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20. Also, the older you get, the more likely you are to vote.
And elderly CT dems have voted for Lieberman many times, may not be as tuned in to the internet, and hence may be more vulnerable to the MSM support for Lieberman.

But yes, an incumbent losing a primary is huge, regardless of the margin. Besides, if there were a 4% spread in a presidential election, wouldn't that be considered a landslide?
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