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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:32 PM
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Day on campaign trail with Kerry sways undecided voter.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-03 12:43 PM by blm
Day on the campaign trail with Kerry sways undecided voter


December  18,  2003

Associated Press



by Holly Ramer
Keene, NH -
As the Real Deal Express rolled through the rain and fog across New Hampshire, a storm of indecision swirled in the mind of Roberto Fuentes.


The 19-year-old college student from Nashua has been leaning toward former Gov. Howard Dean in the Democratic presidential primary. But he wanted to give rival John Kerry a chance, so he took the Massachusetts senator's campaign up on an offer to ride along with the candidate for the day.

His mind didn't change in the miles between Concord and Peterborough or from Peterborough to Keene. But he clapped along with the crowd during Kerry's stump speech, and admitted having second thoughts about Dean when Saddam Hussein was captured earlier this week.

"After Saddam, something clicked - maybe I shouldn't vote for him," he said.

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oops...forgot link
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2003_1218b.html
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:34 PM
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1. Ruh-roh.
:evilfrown:
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:45 PM
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7. Clark also said he opposed the war -
- so why should a Clark supporter be gloating over this?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:51 PM
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10. Ummm.... whaaaa?
Edited on Thu Dec-18-03 12:52 PM by eileen_d
I like Kerry. I'm not gloating. I'm just making faces.
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Northwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:35 PM
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2. So Kerry gets...
This guy, the 4 or 5 people who support him here, and his family. Way to go!
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:36 PM
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3. Nice
:eyes:
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:43 PM
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6. why Kerry, and why Saddam? Kerry didn't catch Saddam.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:41 PM
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4. "His mind didn't change"
Yet, he was "swayed."
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:42 PM
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5. if saddam made that much of a difference to the kid,
... then maybe he should be voting for Bush.

Dean was right: catching Saddam did nothing to make us safer. the Iraq war did nothing to make us safer. quite the opposite, in fact. these stupid STUNTS cost us hundreds of billions of dollars, innocent lives lost, and international goodwill. on top of that, Americans are now more of a target for terrorists than before.

did the "terror alert level" go down when Saddam was caught? of course not.

think about it. despite occasional "successes", the George Dubyah war on terror is a war that will only end when the US is bankrupt.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:50 PM
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8. only someone with negligible amount of information on Iraq and the dynamic
of the region could make such a remark that Saddam's capture meant nothing for this country.

I suggest you study exactly why Clinton wanted Saddam out in 98 in his hopes to stabilize the region before the onslaught of a much more powerful force brewing there - Islamic fundamentalism, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.

Many here neglect the greater good because Bush's goals can't be trusted. I agree, they cannot be trusted, but the goals of Clinton and Kerry can be. Progressive internationalism to combat the root causes of terrorism.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:31 AM
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15. removing Saddam from power DEstabilized the region
capturing him did not change that.

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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:57 AM
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18. Dean did not say it meant nothing....
Edited on Sat Dec-20-03 12:57 AM by TLM

He said that we are no safer because of the capture.

For kicks why not try arguing against what Dean actually said?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:51 PM
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9. I already gave Kerry a second chance
and he betrayed me again after the Saddam news.

.........And STAY out.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 01:30 PM
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13. Why? Because he was consistent about being for the removal of Saddam
and Dean wasn't, so you blame Kerry for noticing Dean's inconsistencies?

Nice logic y'all have going there. It won't work in the general election.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:53 PM
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11. Doesn't he know Kerry said he and Dean had the same position on the war?
Edited on Thu Dec-18-03 12:55 PM by mzmolly
Oh wait, that was last week, before Kerry refered to the UN as "Simon."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:55 PM
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12. The inconsistencies are all Dean's. That's the problem.
Dean's antiwar rhetoric that he demagogued to the nth degree never matched Dean's actual position he took at the time of the IWR.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:13 AM
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14. Many who take the time to learn about John Kerry support him.
The guy's been there on Liberal causes from Day One -- from public education, to organized labor, to small business, to protecting the environment, to a woman's right to control her own body. He's been a fighter for the cause of Justice in the military, when he opposed the conduct of the war as a decorated Navy officer, in civilian life when he helped organized the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, in the Senate when he went after the BFEE in its Iran-Contra drug smuggling and BCCI affair, and until today as a candidate for President.

Given the facts, I'd wager the American people would agree Sen. Kerry would make the best President of all the candidates, of any party.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:43 AM
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16. During the upcoming weeks voters are sure to re-evaluate and
reexamine the candidates and their positions. World events are changing and the press seems to be reawakening. This will favor some candidates while a certain one may see an end to his "honeymoon".
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:48 AM
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17. momentum builds behind the frontrunner
Both Kerry and Clark had their opportunities to be that frontrunner and did not know how to play their cards.

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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:03 AM
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19. Yeah
They should have tapped Al Gore and blown the party to shit. No thanks.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:39 AM
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20. I don't see the connection between my statement and your response n/t
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:15 AM
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21. I see this particular frontrunner getting a closer look. His numbers
have gone down versus Bush. Buyers remorse is sure to set in for the Dean faithful as national security concerns will be brought to the forefront by the other candidates.

Kerry, Clarks and Lieberman's stocks will be moving up.
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