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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:48 AM
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WaPo Editorial Slams NSA Decision as "A Judicial Misfire"
Editorial here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081701540.html

Judge Anna Diggs Taylor's decision here: http://www.mied.uscourts.gov/eGov/taylorpdf/06%2010204.pdf

From the Editorial:
Unfortunately, the decision yesterday by a federal district court in Detroit, striking down the NSA's program, is neither careful nor scholarly, and it is hard-hitting only in the sense that a bludgeon is hard-hitting. The angry rhetoric of U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor will no doubt grab headlines. But as a piece of judicial work -- that is, as a guide to what the law requires and how it either restrains or permits the NSA's program -- her opinion will not be helpful.

Judge Taylor's opinion is certainly long on throat-clearing sound bites. "There are no hereditary Kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution," she thunders. She declares that "the public interest is clear, in this matter. It is the upholding of our Constitution." And she insists that Mr. Bush has "undisputedly" violated the First and Fourth Amendments, the constitutional separation of powers, and federal surveillance law.

But the administration does, in fact, vigorously dispute these conclusions. Nor is its dispute frivolous.The NSA's program, about which many facts are still undisclosed, exists at the nexus of inherent presidential powers, laws purporting to constrict those powers, the constitutional right of the people to be free from unreasonable surveillance, and a broad congressional authorization to use force against al-Qaeda. That authorization, the administration argues, permits the wiretapping notwithstanding existing federal surveillance law; inherent presidential powers, it suggests, allow it to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance on its own authority. You don't have to accept either contention to acknowledge that these are complicated, difficult issues. Judge Taylor devotes a scant few pages to dismissing them, without even discussing key precedents.

The judge may well be correct in her bottom line that the program exceeds presidential authority, even during wartime. We harbor grave doubt both that Congress authorized warrantless surveillance as part of the war and that Mr. Bush has the constitutional power to act outside of normal surveillance statutes that purport to be the exclusive legal authorities for domestic spying. But her opinion, which as the first court venture into this territory will garner much attention, is unhelpful either in evaluating or in ensuring the program's legality. Fortunately, as this case moves forward on appeal and as other cases progress in other courts, it won't be the last word.


Where to begin?!?

I'm not a lawyer, and no doubt the WP's Editorial board isn't, either. I'd like to hear from lawyers here about whether this decision is "careful or scholarly." Read her decision -- it's hardly the rant the WP portrays it to be. Is the WP's problem "angry rhetoric," "thundering" and "bludgeoning," or the actual substance of her ruling?

She "declares" (rules as a judge, and proves in her decision) that warrantless domestic spying violates the Constitution. The WP contends she's wrong. Why? Because BushCo "vigorously disputes it!" So as long as the other side contends they're right, the judge is wrong. The WP has made its own judicial decision that BushCo's disputes aren't "frivolous."

They then muddy the waters, a la BushCo, with arguments about authority for "foreign intelligence surveillance" -- not domestic surveillance without warrants, oversight or records to show WHO was being spied upon, how, and why. They complain she didn't devote many pages or any precedents to "these issues," but the case isn't about "foreign intelligence surveillance." She sites numerous precedents in her 44-page decision about warrantless domestic surveillance to address the plaintiffs' actual case, however.

On domestic surveillance, the WP says the Constitution and FISA court "purport to be" exclusive legal authorities for domestic spying (as opposed to, say, BushCo's assertions that they can do what they want above the law). Judge Taylor argues clearly that they ARE the law, and that BushCo BROKE the law. What's so "complicated" and "difficult" about that?

Finally, of course, the WP says her ruling will be challenged, "fortunately."

Doesn't it seem that everytime BushCo gets in hot water, the WP publishes an editorial that seems written by Karl Rove???
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:49 AM
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1. Is this Washington Post or Washington Times?
I can't see the difference.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:51 AM
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2. So very sad nt
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:56 AM
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3. They need to sit down and have a talk with Jonathan Turley.
Constitutional scholar, professor at George Washington University. Perhaps he can fill them in on all the nasty little details that are so aggravatingly attached to the Constitution, the very same Constitution that bush swore an oath to uphold.

Pandering to the lowest common denominator, the WaPo fires the opening shot. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:02 AM
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5. Your nick could also be Turley's description .....
'Straight Shooter'. I remember being pissed off at him from time to time during the Clinto impeachment shit. But in retrospect, he was right pretty much all the time.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:57 AM
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4. Well the Bush
administration says its OK to tap phones when ever they want, what more to we need to know? Next up how Dem appointed judges support terra' and why who ever wrote that rag they have nerve to call "The" constitution loves O'sama (could there be an IRA tie?} and hates our freedom.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:02 AM
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6. Unbelievable !
Finally someone stands up to the lawbreaker and the Post attacks them??
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:09 AM
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11. Don't forget these gems
"A Very Good Leak" (giving WH spin on Wilson and the CIA/Plame leak):
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sparkly/3

About the six retired generals calling for Rummy's ouster:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sparkly/8
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:24 AM
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16. I think they have some valid points, it is a very poorly written decision
However IIRC, the WaPo supports the essence of it, namely that what the administration was doing was wrong.

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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:04 AM
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7. The WaPo's Editors are NeoCons anyway
Who cares what they say? Remember they have worked hard to censor what their readers have to say I think it's our turn to thumb our noses at what their shitty opinions state.

Rp
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:08 AM
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10. They are so far gone, they are around the bend
WaPo is a neo-con PNAC rag worthy of nothing but bird cage liner.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:04 AM
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8. I was suprised in 2004 when they endorsed Kerry.
I thought they would have endorsed Bush. It seems they just did.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:08 AM
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9. Katherine Graham must be rolling over in her grave.
The Washington Post used to be the country's great liberal newspaper. Its demise as a liberal beacon is one of the saddest stories in the history of American journalism. It is still a whipping boy for the RW and is continually cited as the prime example of left wing bias. Yet it led the lynch mob against Clinton and has protected W's sorry ass from the moment his henchmen stole the 2000 election.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:10 AM
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13. I agree completely. nt
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:10 AM
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12. I've read the opinion, its more diatribes than discourse. The WaPo is
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 11:21 AM by Solo_in_MD
correct, its a very poorly written decision and may get reversed or revised for just that reason. The judge failed to address administration positions adequately, especially in light of existing precedents.

High profile cases like this one require particularly well thought out, well written, and articulate decisions. This one was none of the above. Such behavior give fodder to those who decry the "activist judiciary".

I am sure the WaPo had several lawyers review the decision before they put out the editorial. Its too big a thing not to have had several independent looks at it. It would appear that the WaPo while agreeing with the bottom line of the decision, believes that the decision was written poorly at best. I concur.



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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:11 AM
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14. Are you a lawyer? nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:43 AM
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20. Poorly written or not
The opinion seems to make short work of the administration's legally unsupported arguments that the president can do pretty much anything he wants. A jurist doesn't have to be Felix Frankfurter to dispatch specious arguments; I wonder what the "strict constructionists" at the highest court will do to try to find powers of the executive unenumerated in the constitution.

After all, folks like Scalia and Thomas can't for the life of them find a "right" to privacy even with the Fourth Amendment staring them in the face; how in the world will they find a power for the executive to break the law at will? Or a power of the legislative to cede its authority under Article I?
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:29 PM
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27. That is the problem
The opinion was indeed a short work and poorly done at that...As I said earlier in this thread, opinions on cases like this have to be well done and this one is slapdash. While I agree with its bottom line it is so bereft of clear reasoning and discussion, it may well be reversed.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:34 PM
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29. "Slapdash?" "Bereft of clear reasoning and discussion?"
Did we read the same decision???
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:32 PM
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28. Okay, I'll assume you are not a lawyer.
Which "administrative positions," given as defenses against the plaintiffs' claims, did Judge Taylor "fail to address?"

What was not "well thought out" or "articulate" in her decision, and what was could possibly give "fodder" to those who'd want to claim her ruling is "activist??"

If the WaPo had "several lawyers review the decision," did the other newspapers cited below do the same?

Finally, where did the WaPo actually agree with her ruling?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:13 AM
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15. Fucking Fascits! Are there any editorials
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 11:14 AM by zidzi
by corporate media that applaud this decision?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:27 AM
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17. LA Times
Her decision convincingly rebuts two of the Bush administration's legal positions: that the president has the inherent constitutional authority to engage in surveillance of Americans, and that Congress approved such eavesdropping in 2001 when it authorized Bush to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against individuals and nations implicated in the 9/11 attacks.

The decision also gives short shrift to the administration's argument that a lawsuit against the NSA's monitoring of telephone calls and e-mail messages couldn't go forward because it would result in the divulging of state secrets. The Bush administration, the ruling notes, had "repeatedly told the general public that there is a valid basis in law for the Terrorist Surveillance Program." (It does say that the state-secrets privilege barred recovery for plaintiffs based on their claim that the NSA was also engaging in "data mining" of phone records.)

Not surprisingly, the administration said it would appeal Thursday's ruling, insisting in a statement that "the Terrorist Surveillance Program is firmly grounded in law." It said the same thing about the military commissions Bush established to try accused enemy combatants at the Guantanamo Bay naval base. The Supreme Court disagreed. The justices may take a similarly skeptical view of administration assertions when it comes to warrantless wiretapping.

Meanwhile, Congress should reclaim its institutional prerogative and enact legislation making it clear that NSA spying on Americans is governed by FISA. Legislation proposed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) would do just that, while increasing from 72 hours to seven days the period in which investigators in an emergency could conduct surveillance without a warrant. Feinstein's bill made sense before Thursday's ruling. Its enactment is even more urgent now.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-nsa18aug18,0,584074.story?coll=la-opinion-leftrail
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:39 AM
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18. Thank you, Sparkly!
"Not surprisingly, the administration said it would appeal Thursday's ruling, insisting in a statement that "the Terrorist Surveillance Program is firmly grounded in law." It said the same thing about the military commissions Bush established to try accused enemy combatants at the Guantanamo Bay naval base. The Supreme Court disagreed. The justices may take a similarly skeptical view of administration assertions when it comes to warrantless wiretapping."

Wonder if this goes to the supreme court?

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:02 PM
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25. I think it will go to the USSC
and we can only imagine what'll happen there.

Thanks for asking the question about other newspapers. You inspired me to search, and lo and behold! Guess who's "out of the mainstream" of the print media??
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:42 AM
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19. Detroit Free Press
A Detroit Judge with Backbone

August 18, 2006

A Detroit judge succeeded Thursday where Congress has so far failed -- standing up to the Bush administration's wanton dismissal of the Bill of Rights. U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor declared the administration's secret spying program unconstitutional and blocked the government from intercepting calls into this country from abroad that might involve terrorists without getting warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Taylor made no bones about what was at stake.

"It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control, particularly where his actions blatantly disregard the parameters clearly enumerated in the Bill of Rights," Taylor wrote. Later in the 44-page decision she concluded: "The public interest is clear, in this matter. It is the upholding of our Constitution."

No one had to prove they were actually spied upon, either. Several individuals and groups, represented by the ACLU, said they had lost the ability to have conversations with friends, families and professional contacts overseas, particularly in Arab countries, since the spying came to light. That violates their First Amendment freedoms of expression and association, their Fourth Amendment rights to be secure in their persons, and the principle of separation of powers. "The three separate branches of government were developed as a check and balance for one another," Taylor wrote. "It is within the court's duty to ensure that power is never 'condense(d) ... into a single branch of government.' "


http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060818/OPINION01/608180345/1068/OPINION
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:49 AM
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21. USA Today (their "Our View" editorial)
President Bush has unilaterally declared what parts of new laws he wishes to enforce. He has created military tribunals unauthorized by Congress. And, perhaps most ominously, he has authorized eavesdropping on phone calls to and from the USA without court orders.

Bush has done these things by simply asserting that the powers of the presidency enumerated in Article II of the Constitution — particularly the clause making him the "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy" — are much more sweeping than previously imagined. In short, he has acted like a king.

Fortunately, the courts have begun to rein in his royal ambitions. In June, the U.S. Supreme Court threw out the military tribunals. And on Thursday, federal Judge Anna Diggs Taylor struck down the warrantless surveillance program, finding it to be a violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the principle of separation of powers. "There are no hereditary Kings in America," she wrote.

The ruling by Taylor, who was appointed by President Carter, is far from the final word. The wiretapping program will continue while the administration appeals. It is not hard to see other courts ruling differently by saying that the plaintiffs, led by the American Civil Liberties Union, should not have been given standing to bring the case because they could not show they were harmed by the eavesdropping.

But the ruling does undermine Bush's main argument — that the program is constitutional because the administration says it is constitutional. Taylor gives little credence to this argument, as one might expect from a representative of the judicial branch, the place where questions of constitutionality are properly resolved.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-17-our-view_x.htm

(They also publish an opposing view, which skirts issues and muddies the debate as usual.)


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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:51 AM
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22. San Francisco Chronicle
In striking down the National Security Agency's warrantless-surveillance program, U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor suggested it not only violated the rights of free speech and privacy -- it intruded on the separation of powers outlined in the Constitution.

"The public interest is clear in this matter," she wrote in her 43-page opinion. "It is the upholding of the Constitution."

Our government has the ability to pursue terrorists with all due aggressiveness without shredding the Constitution. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 set up a special court to provide streamlined -- and confidential -- consideration of requests to monitor e-mail and phone traffic between people in the United States and foreign countries when terrorism is suspected.

The FISA system provides an important check against the potential abuse of the government's surveillance capabilities.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/08/18/EDGKIKKCUA1.DTL
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:57 AM
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23. Minneapolis Star-Tribune
Editorial: Bush's powers get a needed comeuppance
Federal judge rips his broad claims of constitutional authority.

Published: August 18, 2006

Federal District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor of Detroit has ripped a yawning hole in Bush administration's claims that it can use warrantless electronic surveillance on communications between people in the United States and people abroad who have a possible connection to Al-Qaida. This is a big victory for American civil liberties, at least temporarily.

The National Security Agency program, Taylor ruled, violates the Administrative Procedures Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the separation of powers and the first and fourth amendments to the Constitution. She ordered the program stopped. Her ruling can be read at www.startribune.com/a1644.

This will, however, not be the last ruling in this controversy. Taylor's decision simply gets the ball rolling. Ultimately this must be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. Moreover, even today's celebration should be muted, because Taylor's ruling highlights truly frightening realities.

(snip)

In language that has broad significance, Taylor dispatched brilliantly the Bush administration argument that it has the constitutional power to do almost anything it wants under Article II, which designates the president commander in chief. That article, Taylor said, makes the president commander of only the armed forces. The American people are not part of the military, and the rights they enjoy under the Constitution are beyond the president's reach.


http://www.startribune.com/561/story/621110.html
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:01 PM
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24. NY Times
Editorial
Ruling for the Law

Published: August 18, 2006

Ever since President Bush was forced to admit that he was spying on Americans’ telephone calls and e-mail without warrants, his lawyers have fought to keep challenges to the program out of the courts. Yesterday, that plan failed. A federal judge in Detroit declared the eavesdropping program to be illegal and unconstitutional. She also offered a scathing condemnation of what lies behind the wiretapping — Mr. Bush’s attempt to expand his powers to the point that he can place himself beyond the reach of Congress, judges or the Constitution.

(snip)

She said Mr. Bush violated the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act when he ordered the National Security Agency to spy without a warrant on international phone calls and e-mail by Americans and foreign residents of the United States. She noted that the surveillance law was passed to prohibit just this sort of presidential abuse of power and provided ample flexibility for gathering vital intelligence. She also said that the program violated the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, as well as the rights of free speech and association granted by the First Amendment.

The ruling eviscerated the absurd notion on which the administration’s arguments have been based: that Congress authorized Mr. Bush to do whatever he thinks is necessary when it authorized the invasion of Afghanistan.

(snip)

But for now, with a careful, thoroughly grounded opinion, one judge in Michigan has done what 535 members of Congress have so abysmally failed to do. She has reasserted the rule of law over a lawless administration and shown why issues of this kind belong within the constitutional process created more than two centuries ago to handle them.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/18/opinion/18fri1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:14 PM
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31. Scarborough just slammed this one as a "blunder"
in his "Beat the Press" segment. :eyes:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:26 PM
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26. And you've done us a big
service, thank you, for all these editorials. Much more fun reading them then the washedout bushbootlickin' post.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:54 PM
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30. Just like CNN's Legal Expert (TOBIN) the shills are on same page about
attacking the judge rather than the merits of the decision itself.
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