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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:09 AM
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Alabama screws another Dem. UNREAL
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 11:31 AM by Keefer
Ala. Dems: Darby Not Welcome in Party

(08-27) 05:01 PDT Montgomery, Ala. (AP) --

Democratic Party leaders want a former candidate for attorney general who denies the Holocaust occurred to stay out of their future primaries.

The party's executive committee passed a resolution Saturday informing Larry Darby that "he is not welcome in the Alabama Democratic Party."

Darby, the founder of the Atheist Law Center, responded by saying the vote shows that the state party's leadership is "intellectually and morally bankrupt."

<SNIP>

State Rep. Alvin Holmes introduced the resolution, saying he doesn't believe Darby's views belong in the Democratic Party. Some prominent Democrats, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, urged the party to remove Darby from the ballot during the campaign.


Full story here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/08/27/politics/p022445D66.DTL&type=politics

I'm kind of new here. It sounds like we have some problems in Alabama.

EDIT: MY USE OF THE WORD "UNREAL" IN THE SUBJECT WAS IN RELATION TO THE FACT Mr. Darby WAS ALLOWED TO RUN AS A DEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. ALABAMA DEMS NEED TO FIND BETTER CANDIDATES IF THEY EXPECT TO CHIP AWAY AT THE FUNDIE VOTE.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:11 AM
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1. So you *support* the holocaust denyer? n/t
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:15 AM
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5. Emphatically, no, but...
... Isn't Alabama wher they voted to kick out the gay woman? In my opinion, this along with that = disorder in the party in Alabama.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:18 AM
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:20 AM
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13. Wait a minute here...
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 11:22 AM by Keefer
When I said "screwed", maybe I went too far. He shouldn't have been allowed in there to start with. Who is vetting our candidates down there anyway, Jerry Falwell?

I agree. We don't need people like that either. I should have been more clear in my OP.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:13 AM
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2. Why is this a problem, Keefer?
Please explain why it's in the best interests of the Democrats to keep Mr. Darby in the party.
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:16 AM
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8. I'm just saying...
...why was he there to begin with? Just more ammo for the repuke party.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:28 AM
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:32 AM
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21. I edited my original post...
...as I said, I'm new here and don't mean to cause problems. I posted a story that caught my eye, but did a terrible job of conveying my feelings accurately. Sorry.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:39 AM
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22. But how is this "screwing another dem"?
I see this as the democratic party getting rid of nutjobs.
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:46 AM
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25. "Screwing"...
... Okay. I give up. My choice of words is atrocious. My whole point in posting this was to try to point out the problems with the dem party south of the mason-dixon line in general, in particular Alabama. Maybe the Dem party "screwed" themselves by allowing him to use the "D" after his name on the ballott.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 05:08 PM
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29. i read your op, and this thread, after you edited it
Edited on Sun Aug-27-06 05:09 PM by ldf
and i understand what you are asking.

how could this man could be a member of the democratic party is beyond me.

don't we have some minimum guidelines that must be adhered to?

could he still be a democrat if he said slavery didn't happen? one is as farfetched as the other.

just how big is our tent supposed to be?

and welcome to du, keefer. :hi:

edit to add: although your headline IS rather misleading...
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:13 PM
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31.  don't think candidates ask permission before they call themselves D or R
There is a crazy African American R in Virginia and the Daily Show has featured some real wackos. The guy that was worried the lesbians were getting all the hot chicks at the bar where he plays pool.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:13 AM
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3. I've always supported the right of parties to excommunicate members
I actually would like to see it done more often.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:14 AM
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4. OK - he denies the holcaust took place - and you are upset why?
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:17 AM
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10. See...
...post #8.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:15 AM
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6. Are you saying you approve of Darby's views?
Just askin'.
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:18 AM
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12. Not at all.
I posted this for educational reasons. Alabama has serious problems.
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:22 AM
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14. If you posted for educational purposes
Why do you say ALABAMA screws another DEM, as if the guys actions had nothing to do with it?
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:25 AM
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16. Look...
... I'm starting to regret posting this story. My basic point in this is why was Mr. Darby allowed to run as a Dem to begin with? We have enough problems drawing votes down south without handing the pukes more ammo to snipe at us, right?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 12:11 PM
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27. Can we say - backfire
I knew we could. Contrary to popular right wing opinion, Democrats do not lockstep just because there's a D next to a name. This guy is slime and there are limits to what Democrats will support, even among the right wing nutsos in Alabama. Must be shocking to the right wingers who eat that wacky shit right up - but there you have it.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:15 AM
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7. What sort of douchebaggery is this?
:shrug:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:26 AM
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17. Indeed!!! Well put!!!! My very question, as well!!! NT
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:16 AM
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9. I've been warning you guys about Alabama for 3 years
ever since I drove the length of the state on my way home to NM from Florida and discovered the most toxic radio stations on the planet.

What the people of that state are getting over the airwaves they supposedly own is killing their minds, their spirits. It's nonstop hate, hate, hate.

There is nothing they can do about it unless they are willing to go back to living in silence.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:24 AM
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15. "...denies the Holocaust occurred..." I have absolutely no problem
with the Democrats kicking him out.

I don't understand your point. How in the world would you support anyone for office who denies that the Holocaust happened?
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:28 AM
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19. One more time...
... He should have been vetted more seriously before he was allowed to run as a Democrat to start with. Sounds like the Dem party needs some serious re-working top to bottom down in Alabama. Once again, I agree his views do not represent dems and we don't need him.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:27 AM
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18. The resolution is not binding. They asked him to go away.
He is still free to run as a Democrat and Democrats are free to shun him.
He does not represent Democratic values, Democratic voters have rejected him,
and he is not welcome.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:44 AM
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23. Dude was kicked out of the Libertarian Party, too, and is a racist
"In or around January 2002, Larry Darby approached Libertarian Party members expressing interest in seeking the party's nomination for the position. Within two months of beginning discussions with members of the LPA, Mr. Darby's name was withdrawn from the nomination ballot and his party membership resigned, largely due to perceived ideological disagreements with the Libertarian Party platform."

In a 2006 interview with The Associated Press, Darby said he believes that no more than 140,000 Jewish people died in the Holocaust, and that most of them succumbed to typhus. He said: "I am what the propagandists call a Holocaust denier, but I do not deny mass deaths that included some Jews" and "There was no systematic extermination of Jews. There's no evidence of that at all." <4> Darby says that illegal immigrants should be treated like prisoners of war.

On May 13, 2006, Darby presented a speech at a meeting of National Vanguard, which bills itself as an advocate for the white race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Darby

"A candidate for Alabama Attorney General attended a closed door meeting of white supremacists organized by the virulently anti-Semitic and racist National Vanguard, where he had been invited to speak about his views, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)."

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/4916_72.htm

Lots more of that on the web.

Keefer, if you are legitimately here, you have no reason to be defensive. People just disagree with your post. That's what DU is about--free debate. But you seem to have changed your story, saying first that the Dems crewed this man, now saying you really meant the Dems shouldn't have allowed him in in the first place. That's clearly not what you originally posted. If you just jumped the gun on this one, admit it, say you've changed your mind, and enjoy a long and happy DU posting career. But with the anti-Dem title of your post, and your squirming to change your story downthread, you are coming across as a troll--fair or not. That's why you're catching flack. Just be honest either way--Democrats value honesty, unlike the Republicans.
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Keefer Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:51 AM
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26. Jobycom:
jobycom wrote:

"Keefer, if you are legitimately here, you have no reason to be defensive. People just disagree with your post. That's what DU is about--free debate. But you seem to have changed your story, saying first that the Dems crewed this man, now saying you really meant the Dems shouldn't have allowed him in in the first place. That's clearly not what you originally posted. If you just jumped the gun on this one, admit it, say you've changed your mind, and enjoy a long and happy DU posting career. But with the anti-Dem title of your post, and your squirming to change your story downthread, you are coming across as a troll--fair or not. That's why you're catching flack. Just be honest either way--Democrats value honesty, unlike the Republicans."

As I've stated throughout this thread, my choice of words in posting the story was inept. I'm new, give me a little slack. The guy got what he deserved, period. Chairman Dean has work to do in Alabama.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 11:44 AM
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24. ADL has a backgrounder
on the guy...sorta makes you wonder how he got so far:

ADL Backgrounder on Larry Darby

Local Montgomery newspaper article that is surprisingly 'balanced' :eyes:

This guy isn't a 'dupe', but a bigtime organizer...

SPLC report about this slug here

Seems looking over some of the RW hate forum sites, there is a belief that this guy is being persecuted for his atheism and not his 'views'...yeah right.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 04:08 PM
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28. THIS atheist knows that's bullshit.
He's being shunned, and rightfully so, for his disgusting views on the Holocaust, not for his lack of belief in gods.

His atheism has nothing to do with any of this, period.

And there's no *right* to belong to a party, so he's not even being persecuted.

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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 05:54 PM
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30. Thank you...
:hi: fellow Atheist!!

and that is the ONLY reason why I put that link up and mentioned it...

I was googling and looking for more cites on this vile shitlocker and came across that Hate site's forum...

Thinking the same thing as you!!! That's why I figured I might give a heads up to fellow atheists since it hadn't been noted.

To quote a famous poet and a fellow countryman of yours, Jello Biafra:

"Nazi Punks
Nazi Punks
Nazi Punks
Fuck Off!!"




Indeed...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 07:10 PM
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33. Hell yeah!
Fuck off, Nazi punks!

:D

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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 06:27 PM
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32. sorry..but I'm a Democrat for a reason!!!
I don't need my party telling me who to vote for in primaries. If I want to vote for a NAZI..I can. If I want to vote against a NAZI..I can. If a NAZI wants to run in our primary..he can. If my party thinks I can't decide who to vote for..they can go to hell!

I'm a Democrat because I will never vote in a party that tells me who I can vote for or who should be allowed to run in the primary. Democracy is alive and well..and I'm proud to be a democrat. in the words of a true patriot.."Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!"
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