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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:11 PM
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Bush's new message on Iraq: This is not a war of choice. WTF???
Who is buying this?

That fact was Cheney and the neocons dreamed up their little 1% rule as if it was the only logical response to the 9-11 attacks. The fact that the so called "axis of evil" had two other (far more threating) countries shows clearly that this was an optional war.

Even if you are willing to believe that we needed to start invading possible threats wouldn't it make more sense to go into Iran or North Korea first? Also wouldn't any good commander want to finish the job in Afghanistan before undertaking another adventure?

Bush is right Iraq wasn't a war of choice it was a war of "bad choice" like a blind drunk gambler these guys hit without checking their cards and busted.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:13 PM
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1. He's Right, Ya Know.
Remember? His "God" commands him to do things.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:28 PM
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2. Oh, I forgot about Jesus...
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:53 PM
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20. How COULD you forget about Jesus?
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 12:54 PM by Auntie Bush
That must make you an evil Liberal?
:sarcasm: Just in case.....
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:29 PM
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3. The big mistake, as we all know now, was
that BushCo hadn't the least understanding of Iraq. They picked it because they knew they would encounter massive problems if they went directly into confrontation with Iran or N. Korea.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:39 PM
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5. Exactly and that is where the logic breaks down, they attacks the smallest
threat because they thought it was a war they could win with no problem. They thought they would be greeted as liberators with flowers (and flowers are not the sign of a growing danger.)

The whole logic of preemption would dictate that the most pressing and treating country should have been attacked first. Now the most dangerous country is obviously North Korea, but because of China I would accept that even as a member of the axis of evil we probably could not have attacked them.

Iran on the other hand would have fit the profile for a country that warranted a preemptive attack far closer then Iraq did. (or better yet Afghanistan where we already were.)
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:45 PM
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7. I thought this was an interesting point:
The relative paucity of strategic thinking about counterinsurgency since Vietnam doubtless contributed to our difficulty in grasping the emergence of the insurgency in Iraq. The absence of recent counterinsurgency doctrine and training in the Army and Marine Corps prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom has similarly contributed to the uneven application of counterinsurgency principles at the tactical and operational levels there. At the small-unit level, where counterinsurgency is conducted on a daily basis, some units in Iraq have demonstrated a remarkable ability to adopt effective counterinsurgency techniques. Others have too often persisted in an over-reliance on military force, despite the fact that such techniques are generally unproductive in developing the intelligence from the local population that is the basis of success in counterinsurgency.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/08/1931298
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:16 PM
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11. The wrong war fought the wrong way.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:30 PM
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4. THIS is the crap that really chaps my ass...
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 07:31 PM by annabanana
"not a war of choice"
"you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had"

And all the time the ratf*cking PR boys are are letting them know "you don't roll out a new product in August".

NONE of them should EVER be allowed to mouth that crap unchallenged.... not ever.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:14 PM
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22. the lack of real analysis by Cable pundits will only amplify the stink
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:44 PM
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6. He decided. We had no choice.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:52 PM
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8. lol!!! "I'm the decider... not the chooser"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:56 PM
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9. bush's freshest LIES.
The soldiers certainly didn't have a choice as to whether they would be killed for george bush's lies or not.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:13 PM
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10. A lot of voters in FL and OH didn't get a choice either. n/t
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:35 PM
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12. But tonite he tells Brian Williams "we got an all volunteer
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 08:48 PM by spindrifter
army, blah, blah, as though because they are volunteer they know what they are getting into. I can assure him, many do not. His cavalier attitude to our troops, our Katrina victims and us is unacceptable.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 09:12 PM
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13. Did Brian ask
bush how many of those "volunteers" died because of his lies?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:31 PM
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19. the fresh smell of Bush crap - the Cable Media will amplify the stink
uncritically....Analysis dismissed as Rove smiles.
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eccles12 Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:06 AM
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14. Yeah, I remember the "...war was thrust upon us [Saddam/Iraq] statement.
I almost fell off my bed when I heard it.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:35 AM
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15. The question is if he was trotting out some new talking points or if he ha
gone off the reservation. I think that everything they do is so dumb that I can't tell the difference between an unscripted gaff and the stupid shit that they plan to try and shove down our throats.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:27 AM
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16. You're right they do
sound like one and same but this one sounds like a new Orwellian phrase that karl the pigsty rove has come up with.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:52 AM
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17. Well, if he says so, then it's so, right?
Or at least that seems to be the way this administration operates.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:56 AM
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18. He's continuing his deception of the American people...
and himself. He just said a few days ago that Iraq had "nothing" to do with 9/11. So, if it had nothing to do with it, why did we invade? It was a "war of choice". Mr. Bush is not being honest, to say it politely. To be not so polite, he's a damn liar!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:38 PM
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21. Go figure. Somehow they're trying to spin it that the war
started when Islamic terrorists hit the twin towers. It's a stretch, of course, but when you consider they're playing to the same sheeple who have believed all along that Iraqis were on the planes and Iraq had WMD . . . what can I say? Tell them the moon is made of blue cheese long enough and they'll believe that, too.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:35 PM
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23. Just don't tell them the moon is Arab
who knows what they would do?
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