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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:06 AM
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NY Times Ohio '04 Dirty? Wow way to get on a story.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/31/washington/31ohio.html?ex=1314676800&en=0b908a5cc6f53723&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

The NY Times was and has been front and center in trying to kill the "notion"
that Ohio was dirty in '04.

<The Washington Post immediately dismissed allegations of fraud as ''conspiracy theories,''(1) and
The New York Times declared that ''there is no evidence of vote theft or errors on a large scale.''(2)>
From Robert F Kennedy Jr's Rolling Stone Article, Was the 2004 Election Stolen?

But look what is in the NY Times today.

Local Level Ballot Stuffing
More Votes then Registered Voters
Voting Cards that should not have been "read" counted
After only 35,000 ballots from more then 5 million cast
studied many examples of "irregularities"

I live in Columbus, OH and saw and heard the election crimes and theft 1st hand .....
please please please .... We need to get the truth out about 04. Because just like 2000
in Florida the real winner of the race did not get to become President.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:14 AM
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1. If we can get them preserved, maybe someday the truth will be known
There will be a time when the world knows what truly happened in the United States during the bu$h regimes rule.
We may never get a chance to impeach the illegal monsters but maybe when the Democrats are in power again, there can be some legal action to revisit to the 2000 and 2004 results and prosecute those responsible for these acts.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:22 AM
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2. I want the bastards in the press to pay too.
"They" must know what happened and why "they" are covering up
these crimes i don't know. Hell, in Ohio the vote count was shut down
in Warren County because of a terrorist threat that was not there and the
votes were counted in secret.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:57 AM
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3. Absolutely, hung out to dry
The Plain Dealer has been working overtime to keep covering up the corruption.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:35 AM
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5. The Dispatch is in on it too
I send their political writer (Riskind) e mails all the time ....
he crawls out of his hole and sometimes answers w/
nothing happened .... we looked @ this already.


"The analysis is incorrect. The dispatch and other Ohio papers have looked at these issues and come up with different conclusions. Salon, not a conservative bastion, did a critique of the rfk article that hits the major points. Thanks for writing."
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 08:49 AM
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4. Difficult to find evidence of fraud when you don't look for it
The Times and all media outlets have a heavily vested interest in preserving the fiction that the United States runs squeaky-clean elections. Start raising questions about such a bedrock mechanism of how power is distributed and maintained in this country, and there's no telling where it will lead. And the major media know for a fact that part of their prestige and influence is built on fraud, so any examination of these processes isn't good for them.

I've long thought Ohio was crooked based on one simple fact that was reported at the time: Thousands of people waited in lines for hours to vote, and the returns from those precincts weren't overwhelmingly in favor of Kerry. It's been my experience that people don't endure hardship to endorse the status quo; you'd wait in line because you want things to change.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:37 AM
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6. the evidence is there
and they know it too.
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