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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:33 PM
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Isn't Bush taking a chance with the Nazi link?
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 03:34 PM by mitchtv
Didn't grandaddy Prescott have his assets seized for trading with the enemy? and Does't Rumsfeld have a WW2 link also? if I remember my history it was the GOP who opposed the anti-fascist movement in the US
america firsters,Charles Lindberg, that RW priest?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:37 PM
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1. Granddaddy was thrown out of this country on charges of TREASON!
Crazy how Bush 41 became the President of this country when his FATHER was thrown out for aiding the nazis. Wild, IMO.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:42 PM
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3. Amazing what you can do...
with a pile of money and no scruples.
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LUHiWY Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:45 PM
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29. And.....
...a lot of retarded herd animals to deal with?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:58 PM
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6. And before that, Granddaddy argued AGAINST confrontation
which makes him an APPEASER AND A TRAITOR (like the other "dunderhead" Rethugs at the time).!!!!!

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:15 PM
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9. Neither GHW Bush's father nor grandfather was thrown out of the
country. But Bush family assets were frozen after Pearl Harbor. Both father and grandfather were collaborators with the Nazis (George Herbert Walker was Hitler's American banker), but Senator Prescott Bush (GHW Bush's father) was powerful enough to have the assets unfrozen.

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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:19 PM
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10. His Granddaddy Prescott was not thrown out
of the country. He became a Senator.

Crazy but true :crazy:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:57 AM
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33. He wasn't thrown out. His money was taken away and then later returned
He became a Senator. When you are rich, crime doesn't matter. Dubya learned this lesson well.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:42 PM
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2. I believe his great grand daddy was also responsible for doling out
munitions contracts during WWI.

There was an investigation in Congress after the war, the so-called "merchants of death", which suddenlyt disappeared when another aristocrat, FDR came to power.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:40 PM
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12. Re FDR: one of the reasons why John Kenneth Galbraith is hated...

by RWer's is that he was appointed deputy director
of the Office of Price Administration by FDR during
the war.

Galbraith was especially hard on war profiteering
during that time and made many enemies amongst
the Republican manufacturing elite.

If Galbraith had control government spending in
Iraq, Haliburton would have been severly punished
for profiteering if not brought up on felony corruption
charges.

We lost a good one when JKG died.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 02:49 PM
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34. I read one of his last books THE GOOD SOCIETY...it is a classic.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:43 PM
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4. he is, they'd better watch-this will be turned around on the GOP
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:56 PM
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5. Remember the old line...
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 03:57 PM by peace13
it takes one to know one! In your face George. Peace, Kim
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:04 PM
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7. There are a lot of errors in this thread that need to be corrected.
Yes there are many Third Reich connections with Republicans, Bush and Walker dynasty, Rumsfeld, national security community etc.

Prescott Sheldon Bush was not thrown out of the country.

One of the ways to learn about them is to spend some time in the Octafish Know your BFEE threads.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=928662&mesg_id=939001
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:06 PM
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13. Thank you, Bob. Keep this thread kicked so that many more people
including perhaps some pretty hair corporate reporters, will get a clue.

The Bush Skull & Bones Klan was the bankers to the Nazis.

The press has a RESPONSIBILITY to point that out plainly right now.

Will the corporate media fail the people of the USA again? Will they fail to make the OBVIOUS CONNECTION again? Alas, I have no faith in the press anymore...They have assumed the position.

k and r on this thread....come on and keep it kicked.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:59 PM
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17. The corporate media are part of a propaganda unit that Goebbels
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 11:00 PM by bobthedrummer
would admire. The MSM haven't cared about reality.

Time for the truth and the hidden history about the fascists in the shadow government of George W. Bush.

"Reality vs. perception management"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x71919#top

"Time for another Bush/Nazis thread"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853#top
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:12 PM
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8. The Democrats should make this one of their points.
"Yes, George Bush and The Republicans should know better than anyone about Adolf Hitler and his murderous rampage. George Bush's Grandfather, Prescott Bush, supplied weapons to Hilter, even after such activity was forbidden by the United States.

So, we can all thank the Bush Family for their years of service to America, right? Oh, well, make that disservice...no...make that TREASON."

How could both the Son and Grandson of a man who committed TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES DURING A TIME OF WAR WIND UP IN THE HIGHEST OFFICE OF THE LAND? How indeed...
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:21 PM
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11. Instead of jailing our Fifth Columnists, we put them in charge of Intel
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 04:45 PM by leveymg
and the GOP.

Most of us here have learned that Dubya's Grandfather and Great Uncle were Hitler's American bankers, managing the Union Trust Bank in NY, which was a primary conduit for dollars that flowed to the Nazi regime.

But, not many know that Eisenhower's Secretary of State and Director of CIA had been Hitler's American lawyers. That's right, the Dulles brothers headed the Wall Street firm Sullivan & Cromwell, that represented the biggest German commercial interests between the Wars, even after Germany went to war with England and had conquered most of Europe.

The Dulles Brothers also represented Standard Oil that continued supplying Nazi Germany with petroleum for almost a year after war was declared, until FDR threatened the Rockefellers with nationalization and prosecution for violation of the Trading With The Enemy Act.

Instead of rounding up American Fifth Columnists, as did the British, wealthy Americans with long and well-known fascist sympathies were placed in positions within OSS and military intelligence. They facilitated the escape of Nazis when the war ended, and continued to recruit Nazis into western intelligence networks.

That's how the Bushes got to where they did. By the way, the elder Dulles brother was the Chairman of the Republican National Committee during the 1930s and early 1940s. G.H.W. Bush was also awarded the post of Chairman of the RNC and head of U.S. Intel, for no readily apparent reason.


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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:36 PM
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14. thanks all who contributed to this thread
I knew it would get interesting fast BTW it needs only one more vote
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:54 PM
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15. Keith Olbermann quoting Edward R. Murrow said it best
This country faces a new type of fascism - indeed.

Although I presumptuously use his sign-off each night, in feeble tribute, I have utterly no claim to the words of the exemplary journalist Edward R. Murrow.

But never in the trial of a thousand years of writing could I come close to matching how he phrased a warning to an earlier generation of us, at a time when other politicians thought they (and they alone) knew everything, and branded those who disagreed: “confused” or “immoral.”

Thus, forgive me, for reading Murrow, in full:

“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty,” he said, in 1954. “We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law.

“We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular.”

And so good night, and good luck.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0831-31.htm
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:28 PM
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16. OH PLEASE
We have a fucking PICTURE OF RUMSFELD SHAKING SADDAM's Hand, and that didn't make a damn difference LOL, do you really think this will?

Put your energies elsewhere.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 12:29 PM
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27. Which Democrats showed that picture in their ads or on TV appearances?
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 12:30 PM by Dr Fate
That image did not make a difference because most Democrats were too frightened to capitalize on it.

Actually, if Democrats were not too frightened to throw these facts back in the Republican's face, I'll bet it would shut them up- at least to an extent.

Your example is invalid because aside from obscure websites and F 9/11 (A movie that few swingvoters saw), it was never used.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:15 PM
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18. Prescott Sheldon Bush (from our DU demopedia)
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:49 PM
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19. The BFEE and their profit from the Holocaust
I bookmarked this site long ago because the information appeared to be well-written and well-researched.

http://clamormagazine.org/issues/14/feature3.php

<snip>

Throughout the Bush family's decades of public life, the American press has gone out of its way to overlook one historical fact – that through Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolf Hitler before and during World War II. It was first reported in 1994 by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People.

The US government had known that many American companies were aiding Hitler, like Standard Oil, General Motors and Chase Bank, all of which was sanctioned after Pearl Harbor. But as The New York Times reporter Charles Higham later discovered, and published in his 1983 groundbreaking book, Trading With The Enemy; The Nazi American Money Plot 1933-1949, "the government smothered everything during and even after the war." Why?

According to Higham, the US government believed "a public scandal ... would have drastically affected public morale, caused widespread strikes and perhaps provoked mutinies in the armed services." Higham claims the government thought "their trial and imprisonment would have made it impossible for the corporate boards to help the American war effort."

However, Prescott Bush's banks were not just financing Hitler as previously reported. In fact, there was a distinct business link much deeper than Mr. Higham or Mr. Loftus knew at the time their books were published.


More at link.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 01:32 AM
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21. I know this is going to sound like a conspiracy theory, but....
I thought I had read details somewhere about how Prescott's banks were actively financing the promotion of Hitler to office, and if it wasn't for this financing he never would have won. How many banks take such an active interest in promoting foreign leaders to office? Hitler was being financed by industrialists:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm


As Hitler historian Alan Bullock put it:

"Hitler came to office in 1933 as the result, not of any irresistible revolutionary or national movement sweeping him into power, nor even of a popular victory at the polls, but as part of a shoddy political deal with the 'Old Gang' whom he had been attacking for months… Hitler did not seize power; he was jobbed into office by a backstairs intrigue." (4)
Hitler's deal did not even give him a majority in the Reichstag. His coalition of Nazis and Nationalists had only 247 out of 583 seats in the Reichstag, still not a majority. But Hitler wasted no time using his newfound powers to start eliminating his competition. New elections were scheduled for March 5, 1933. Goebbels was completely confident now of success. "Now it will be easy to carry on the fight, for we can call on all the resources of the State. Radio and press are at our disposal. We shall stage a masterpiece of propaganda. And this time, naturally, there is no lack of money." (5)
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 12:51 AM
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20. Just to add to the topic
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 01:13 AM by Reckon
I saw a link posted to this at crooksandliars comments and It's from the last place I would expect "The American Conservative"

http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html

"Flirting with Fascism

Neocon theorist Michael Ledeen draws more from Italian fascism than from the American Right."


snip..

"Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our own society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity, which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. Seeing America undo traditional societies, they fear us, for they do not wish to be undone. They cannot feel secure so long as we are there, for our very existence—our existence, not our politics—threatens their legitimacy. They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission."

more... http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html


Ledeen also wrote a book of his theory of revolution -- "Freedom Betrayed"


It's safe to say, the neoclowns are insane!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 08:28 AM
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24. "Creative destruction is our middle name,...." whow. powerful stuff.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:03 AM
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22. It's an open secret that fascism/nazism was supported
by many of the Big Money interests in Europe and the US.

It's one of those things we don't learn in history class, yet many people do know.


Also see the documentary "The Corporation":
www.thecorporation.com

Coca Cola created a new beverage for the occasion: "Fanta". Otherwise their trading with the enemy might have been be to obvious.

IBM supplied the Nazis with their (then mechanical) computers to help deal with the logistical problems of categorizing and transporting millions of people to the concentration camps. IBM printed the required punch cards in the US during the war - the serial numbers on those punch cards corresponds to the numbers that were tattooed on the bodies of the Holocaust victims. IBM does not deny this, they just say it wasn't as bad as it's made out to be.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:06 AM
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25. "It wasn't as bad as it's made out to be" ......?
Exactly how bad does it have to be before it becomes as bad as it's made out to be? Matching numbers? This is news to me. gawd, I had no idea.

You learn something new every day. Since bush has been in office, it seems all I'm learning is something uglier every day.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 07:38 AM
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23. Bush family mirror reveals horrid truth about coMMander AWOL
and his skull & bones grandpoppy who PROFITED handsomely from enabling Hitler and the Nazis.

Look it up. It's a fact.


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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 12:22 PM
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26. Desperate people say desperate things.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 12:39 PM
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28. Nazi reference is code for pro-Israel. (I.e, "Let's nuke Iran")
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:55 PM
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30. How does a convicted traitor later get elected as a SENATOR?
(form the demopedia)
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Prescott_Sheldon_Bush

Trading with the enemy

<...>
In October 1942 Prescott Bush is accused of running a Nazi front group. Prescott Bush's business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman)
Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
Silesian-American Corporation (with Walker)

Amazingly, this does not garner any publicity, the New York Times business section merely stating that the Union Banking Corporation had "moved its offices".
<...>

How amazing it is to me that that act of treason got NO publicity in the media!! It speaks of strong connections to the CIA, etc. This is how it is possible for someone who was convicted of treason and "trading with the enemy" to later be elected as a Senator.

SR
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 07:58 PM
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31. Bushco doesn't have to worry. They own the media.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:02 AM
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32. kick
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