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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:52 AM
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Chavez Calls Bush the devil at UN
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un.ap/index.html

Chavez said the devil was here yesterday. It smells of sulfur up here.
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:57 AM
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1. Sounds like Chavez was just being polite being at the UN and all that
"Devil" would be considered being kind and reserved in my opinion. Murderer, war criminal, dumb-ass are really not appropriate language to use either when addressing other heads of states.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:59 AM
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2. Bush, it's my way or the highway, this has gotten a wee bit old...
Bush, the most incompetant president to ever come down the pike, who still has trouble reading from teleprompters is simply incompetant/unqualified for his job title!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:04 AM
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3. Pot meet kettle.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:10 AM
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4. Yeah, but watch
the majority DUers go into paroxysms of ecstasy over this rather stupid and crude remark. The limitations of some on this board are rather astounding.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:18 AM
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6. Well color me limited then. I'm glad he said what we in this country
of "free speech" could not get away with saying in that type of public venue. I can just see someone being whisked away by the secret service at a town hall meeting if they stood up and told * he was the Devil.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:18 AM
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7. and elevating chavez to a hero status only hurts the Democrats
The best thing that happened to the Democratic party was when Cynthia McKinney lost the nomination.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:07 PM
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19. Excellent! (nt)
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:20 AM
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8. I know.
But you know what? I don't give a damn. I will not be silenced. Bush is the devil incarnate, Chavez is a false prophet, I have yet to decide which is worse.
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:32 AM
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10. Color me limited too !.... VIVA CHAVEZ !
Typical DLCer... Would rather talk in politico BS terms
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:36 AM
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11. DLCer?
Nothing like casting false aspersions. It's such a liberal value.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:50 AM
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13. Well when you don't have a leg to stand on
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 11:57 AM by William769
Do what the Repukes do! :rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:55 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:35 PM
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:44 PM
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15. I assure you, Chavez cannot be any worse than Bush.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:38 PM
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27. no substance
mere vague insinuation
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:16 AM
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5. I found myself agreeing
with much of Chavez`s speech, especially when he said Bush acts as though he owns the world.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:29 AM
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9. bush wishes he were the devil.....
....he's a puppet of the devil.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:37 AM
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12. This will only help some here in the U.S. stand behind Bush
when they normally might not have. It's an automatic "Mama Bear" reaction....protecting the cub in a nationalistic sort of way. Actually not good for us. I don't like it.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 02:48 PM
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14. The truth hurts...Burying ones head in the sand...doesn't help anyone!
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 02:54 PM by LaPera
Why BushCo want Chavez dead!!!

Chavez helped pay Argentina’s debt to the IMF he must be stopped before Chavez pays off other surrounding nations debt's and gets them out from under the thumb of the IMF & the World Bank, the WB is furious, so Chavez must die!

Chavez also makes American oil companies pay their fair share of taxes in Venezuela...so he must die.

Chavez sells oil cheaply to the poor, and "third world" countries, so he must die.

Chavez defies the oil company's controlled collusion of oil flow, so he must die.

Venezuela is trying to get a seat on the UN Security Council to have (up till now) a strong Latin American voice, so Chavez must die.

Chavez was legally elected, so he must die.

Chavez mocks Bush, so he must die.

Chavez offered cheap oil to poor Americans for heating, and wanted to help victims of Hurricane Katrina, so he must die.

Venezuela's economy is booming & inflation is low, so he must die.

Venezuela sits on huge oil reserves that the oil companies want for themselves, so Chavez must die.

Chavez has threatened to go the euro-petro instead of the US dollar, so he must die.

Chavez has avoided assassination attempts by the US & made them look bad, so he must die.

Other countries may want to invest in Venezuela's economy, that the imperialist (BushCo) don't approve of, so he must die.

Chavez wants to defend Venezuela from "outside" influence & imperialism, so he must die.

Chavez is beloved by the poor & working class in Venezuela, so he must die.

Chavez has said: "I am a Catholic and a Christian and a very committed Christian", so he must die.

Venezuela wants to Prohibit Transgenic Crops, it'll help the people’s health & the small farmers, so Chavez must die.

Chavez is a progressive liberal, so he must die?

Viva Hugo Chavez! Bravo!!


Of course the regressive neocon Bush hates Chavez & ALL liberal progressive ideology....Chavez it seems to me is hundred times better than Bush's sick, greedy, oppressive regime, BushCo discouraging and intimidating opponents of free speech, even if one wears a tee shirt they don't like, BushCo hates any dissent and has government agencies investigate anyone who exercises their right to dissent... Stifling newspaper & media from reporting the truth calling them unpatriotic & treasonous if they disagree with Bush, eavesdropping on US citizens, lying to go to war, insensitive republican asshole, as our kids die. Bush refuses to obey any laws he doesn't want to...does NOT support the Constitution, constantly finding new ways to subvert it for his ideological neocon corporate agenda believes in torturing prisoners & has left that option open even though congress & the courts said it's illegal, has broken every US treaty in the world, hates the poor and the workers, middle class, is an environmental disaster all for corporate profit...Bush is the war-mongering pig of ALL fascist war for profit (oil) pigs.

BushCo lies about everything!! Tell me just one truth you think he's ever said and I'll rip it to shreds!!!! Bush/Cheney/Rove are the most evil, wicked, sick, greedy, lying imperialistic regime on the face on the earth!!!

In 1997, the year before Chávez's election, 55.6 percent of Venezuelan households and almost 61 percent of Venezuelan citizens lived beneath the poverty line. At the end of last year, those numbers were down to 37.9 and 43.7 percent, respectively. That's a major improvement... This, however, does not really capture the changes in the living standards of the poor in Venezuela, since there have been major changes in non-cash benefits and services in the last few years.

Professor Corrales goes on to say: More damning for the Chávez-as-Robin Hood theory, the poor do not support him en masse. Most polls reveal that at least 30 percent of the poor, sometimes even more, disapprove of Chávez." Which is also to say that 70 percent of the poor majority do approve of Chávez. That makes sense given that he won 59 percent of the vote in the recall election.

In any case, there is no way that a truly liberal news source would have published an article attacking Chavez. Any Leftie with half a brain knows that Chávez is an enormous advance over who normally leads in Latin America."

First off, the fact that Bush has done everything the author accuses Chávez of doing doesn't make it right.

Second, thanks to the person who posted the info on where the author is coming from: I suspected as much. Interesting that he is a prof at Amherst, a very liberal arts college. Likely they keep his likes around for the same reason AlterNet posted this thing, along with Palast's piece: they believe in variety, in giving the opposition a voice occasionally.

Truth be told, I'd rather the US didn't import any oil whatsoever - that we developed an independent energy system that shut out all the oil importers from the Saudi princes to the Nigerian military governors to , yes, even Hugo Chavez. They'd do okay - and we need to slow the rate of global warming, as well as build a good domestic energy infrastructure based on long-term renewables like solar, wind and biofuels.

100% - why should we give our hard-earned US dollars to foreign tyrants! Let's roll with renewable!

Viva Chavez!

Yes, Bush and his war mongering, & imperialism certainly is the "devil"...But, I always knew this!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:21 PM
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22. The truth shall hurt US, first and foremost.
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 06:24 PM by FrenchieCat
I ain't got anything against Chavez....but I'm not stupid enough to think that what he says is going to change anything for us for the better.....in fact, quite the opposite.....as long as he speaks as some of us who know exactly what's up....and as long as he is portrayed as the mortal enemy by the media.....everything that he says, no matter if it is the truth, will be completely disavowed.

That means that for every 2 steps forward in truth we speak.....Chavez' voice takes us two steps back in credibility of this truth. Although it shouldn't be that way, it is.

So yes, "the truth, hurts".....the problem is who it hurts exactly, and it ain't Bush, nor Chavez' people.....it is the people of America.

You see, as long as there is a strong media that can demonize Chavez and every word uttered out of his mouth and denounces everything he does......the truth is what they, the media, say is the truth --and that is the truth that will be adopted by a majority of Americans.

So Orwellian as it may be....the truth is relative to who owns the propaganda machines....and it ain't Chavez, and it ain't us.

SO for each "Bravo Chavez" that you shout.....there are three Americans saying "Curse Chavez".....and so, in the end, the truth doesn't really matter at this time, in terms of how much help it will be in liberating us, the people of the United States......although maybe we will find a shade of truth one day in the history books. That's all I'm sayin'.
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PeaceProgProsp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:25 PM
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23. In the speech, Chavez also encouraged people to read Chomsky
Is that going to help Bush too?
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:50 PM
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16. the only good oil country is bush-Saudi oil
ever notice that?
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:06 PM
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18. Complete text here
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 04:09 PM by ProudDad
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10315.htm


Viva Chavez. Down with corporate capitalist pigs... (especially the ones so ably represented by the DLC)
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hurricaneric Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:13 PM
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20. Chavez reads Chomsky
Sweet.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:50 PM
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26. And here is what Chavez said about Chomsky and his book
Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, 'Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States.'" (Holds up book, waves it in front of General Assembly.) "It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet.

The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but, for the sake of time," (flips through the pages, which are numerous) "I will just leave it as a recommendation.

It reads easily, it is a very good book, I'm sure Madame you are familiar with it. It appears in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German. I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is right in their own house.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15041.htm
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hurricaneric Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:15 PM
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21. Unlike Bush, Chavez was cheered during his speech
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:35 PM
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24. I figured it would have smelled like pork rinds and beer.....n/t
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:56 AM
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28. He's been talking to his friends,
Ahmedinejad and Nasrallah.

Calling * Satan, indeed. "Diablo", "Satan", whatever. Same kind of dehumanizing language as usual, just intended to play to his new friends on the block. Fascinating how somebody who plays to countries like Iran. Few here, I think, would want to live there, however much they admire it and its policies.

Had Chavez been wanting to play to the piker Lukashenka, of course, he'd have called * a shark.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 01:18 PM
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29. Satanists riot; demand apology from Chavez n/t
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