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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:28 PM
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While Bush in Town fundraising, Wes Clark Steals the show!
See great Sacramento television report on video here: http://www.kxtv.com/video/player2.aspx?aid=31283&bw=

The news? Clark campaigning for long shot candidate Charlie Brown (D) in CA-4 against Republican Incumbent bringing in better coverage than Bush attending a "private" fundraiser for Charlie Brown's opponent Doolittle.

Also, Foley is being mentioned in this campaign....and I hope that all Dem candidates do this. The way that Charlie Brown broached it was that he found out that Doolittle had received a donation from Foley back in 2002. Brown is demanding that Doolittle returns this donation! Doolittle is also connected to the Abrahmoff scandal, in where he took "gifts" from Abrahmoff.

The race has gone from incumbent Doolittle having a commanding lead, to the race being a statiscal dead heat as of the eve of Wes' campaigning efforts!

Here's some Newspaper coverage in reference to this race and Wes Clark's visit.....very positive multiple press reports for the Republican incumbent's Democratic challenger who has never been elected to anything to date (he is a veteran) and who is running in a district that has a 18% higher GOP registration!
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/15664245.htm
http://www.auburnjournal.com/articles/2006/10/03/news/top_stories/03clark3.txt
http://cbs13.com/local/local_story_275233007.html

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In addition, Clark was in Southern California earlier that day giving a lecture in reference to the torture. Here's what he said about that as published in the LA Times!


Clark Speaks Out on New Torture Rules
In an address at UCLA, the retired general lambastes the Bush administration for challenging the Geneva Convention.
By James Ricci, Times Staff Writer
October 3, 2006

Retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark, speaking to UCLA faculty and students Monday, said that observing the Geneva Convention is crucial to America's interests and its ability to mobilize other countries for collective efforts.
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Recent congressional action authorizing the administration to try terrorism suspects before military tribunals and banning torture — while not prohibiting specific coercive techniques — will not silence the debate over the Geneva Convention, he said. The trials of the suspects will raise questions, he said: "What coercive tactics were used? How reliable was the information" thus obtained?

"It's going to bring everything back to the surface," Clark said.
snip
"It was America that led to the creation of the Geneva Convention," he said, "and now we're walking away from it, from the very values we espoused?"
snip
Clark said experience shows that coercive tactics against detainees tend to break only those who are undisciplined or uncommitted to their causes, and that such tactics often result in unreliable information given in the hope of stopping the abusive treatment. By contrast, he noted, prime Al Qaeda suspects tend to be "hard and tough."

The way to deal with them, he said, is not to apply coercion but to seek to change their minds. Yemeni authorities, he added, "actually bring imams in and try to deprogram them and challenge their interpretation of Islam. Eventually, they blurt out everything — and you can believe them."

Clark said the Bush administration's indifference to public opinion in other countries about U.S. violations of accepted international standards makes it difficult for leaders of those countries to collaborate with America.

"It's bad, bad policy for a legitimate state to mistreat people in its power," he said.


"If you can't move French public opinion, you can't expect their political leaders to sign on the bottom line. We have an international constituency, and that's what we've lost."
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-clark3oct03,1,2590358.story?ctrack=1&cset=true








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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:29 PM
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1. Right on! Great news!
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:31 PM
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2. Yahoo! I only wish there were someone to overshadow him in L.A.
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 04:32 PM by LSparkle
later today. (Actually, I'm just praying my commute isn't made even MORE nightmarish because of police blockades, etc. It's bad enough if delays are caused by Big Dawg or some Dem but if it's thanks to a Smirking Chimp ... RETCH!)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:53 PM
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3. Is Bush in L.A.? He must have gone there from stockton.....where
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 06:54 PM by FrenchieCat
he was campaigning for asshole Pombo! :mad:

Edited to say bush was fundraising for Pombo....not campaigning! ;)
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:03 PM
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20. Hey FrenchieCat...
I saw Bush on CNN today in front of that school in Stockton they were naming after him...

I wondered as I looked at that clip of him (I muted it of course), if any parents had pulled their little tykes out of that school after giving it such a LAME name!??

If not... remind me never to pass through the city of Stockton !!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:34 PM
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22. Yep....Stockton is just a hop & a skip from here....but boy, they are sooo
retarded especially to be located so close to the Northern East Bay! :eyes:

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:01 PM
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4. No intelligent person would go to a bush rally when they could
listen to Clark...unless they were one of his 33% base or just crawled out from under a rock.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 07:29 PM
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5. You got that right!
Well this section of town is 58/40 in favor of Repugs! Hope that Wes is able to convert a few....cause that's all we need (and let the rest of them stay their arsses at home!)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:44 PM
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9. That's great!
I love how he welcomed Repubs. and Indys, too, being that it's a Repub. district. Good for him! Good for US!
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:40 PM
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6. How can you not pull the lever for "Charlie Brown"?
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 08:45 PM by zonkers
Just saying...

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:34 PM
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7. You're right.....
Plus "Doo-Little", his opponent, seems so...well, weird!

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:40 PM
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8. Prove the statistical dead heat......
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:51 PM
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10. It was the Exact words of the reporter on the local television
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 09:56 PM by FrenchieCat
in the video for which I gave the link to in my op. According to the reporter, this "Dead Heat" was based on a internal poll by the Brown campaign, but it was a "few weeks ago"...and so, it ain't like things have gotten better.... :shrug:

which explains why Bush was also over there at the same time as Clark raising funds for Doo-Little! They obviously realize that they need the extra bucks......cause it must be that close. Considering it's a 58% GOP district; that speaks tons!

Watch it.
Here's the link http://www.kxtv.com/video/player2.aspx?aid=31283&bw=
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 09:59 PM
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11. Unless he cites a poll, it is worthless information....
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:02 PM
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12. I disagree.....
#1 - Polls ain't all that! Sometimes it is the polls that are worthless.
#2 - To be "perceived" as being in a "Dead Heat" can only be an advantage to the Challenger, not the incumbent. How it was reported in the media gives it that perception.
#3 - This was never, ever a race that Democrats could win. In fact, Charlie Brown was "a long shot"...... So, I'm not sure why proof to you is something that I have to provide. What's the point you truly want to make?....exactly?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:44 PM
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14. Your words... A statistical dead heat....
That would mean a poll was invovled....
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:50 PM
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16. Right....and so there was....
and? :shrug:
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:07 PM
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13. Those are Benenson Strategy Group's numbers
Benenson Strategy Group, a firm that also works with the DCCC, conducted the poll at the end of August. It shows Doolittle leading Brown by just 41 percent to 39 percent with 17 percent saying they didn’t know who they would vote for “if the election were held today.” The poll had a 4.9 percent margin of error.


If the Benenson numbers are good, it's a statistical dead heat. 17% fence sitters, that is the group Charlie Brown is working on, and gives me a glimmer of hope that the ass Doolittle will be turned out.


....

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Campaign/091306_doolittle.html
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:48 PM
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15. Thanks for the info! n/t
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:50 PM
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17. Thanks....
That explains it....

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 10:51 PM
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18. Thanks! I was just parotting the reporter on the teevee!.....
Thanks for the specifics!

:hi:
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:32 PM
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21. Parroting can be good...
especially if people residing in California's fourth district are doing the parroting; as DemoTex would say, "You know what I mean, Vern?"

DU is a little more discerning at times, and for good reason. Thank you for your fine posts on the events of today in California. I was happy to see there was some balance in the news, and was tickled I heard the Doolittle/DeLay/Abramoff connection a few times.

And as the Good Reverend Al Sharpton says, "It's all good!" :thumbsup:
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:03 PM
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19. Money! Brown needs da money.
I hope that the fundraiser was a good one.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:07 AM
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25. Charlie Brown's fundraiser was open to the public, unlike the 'other' one
Good TV exposure with superb sound bites and footage, while at the other camp, Bush* had to step outside for his comments! Just what are they hiding in that 'gated' Country Club club house that the public shouldn't see? :rofl:

For all intents and purposes Charlie Brown's fundraiser looked like an old time "Big Tent" Democratic event right down to the requisite hot dogs and beans, and people looked like they were having fun.

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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:43 AM
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23. I can't even imagine a Republican with his honesty or competence
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 02:18 AM
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24. More coverage......funny headline reads almost like the headline
of this op!

Now ain't that somethin'!


Democrats Use Bush's Visit to Draw Attention to Campaigns

Rep. John Doolittle's Democratic challenger, Charles Brown, is using President Bush's visit to draw attention to his own campaign.

The Achilles' heel for Democrats is the perception that they are soft on national security, so Brown brought out the Democrats' biggest gun, former NATO commander Gen. Wesley Clark, to stump for his campaign.

Clark took Bush, Doolittle and the entire Republican party to task on the war on terror.

"They are more concerned with self-aggrandizement than with providing the kinds of checks and balances that they are required to provide by the United States Constitution," Clark said. "And you know who I'm talking about -- including the man who is the incumbent in this region. Ladies and gentlemen, he hasn't done his job for the people of this district or the people of the USA."

Clark appeared with Brown Monday night at a campaign rally in front of the State Capitol.

Democrats in Rep. Richard Pombo's 11th District say Bush would not have come to Stockton if Pombo's campaign wasn't in trouble. A poll released Monday by a Democratic pollster shows challenger Jerry McNerney is leading Pombo 48-46 percent with 6 percent undecided.

Pombo's camp, according to Stockton's newspaper, The Record, dismisses the poll.
http://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=20434



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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:24 PM
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26. New York Times covering CA district 4.....today! Yeah!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:33 PM
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27. Sounds good to me!
"General Wesley Clark and former Georgia Democratic Sen. Max Cleland to narrate his commercials or appear at events."


Way to go Charlie Brown!!!!! We're rootin fer ya!
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