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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:06 PM
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I was watching Frontline tonight...and I remembered.
I remembered this speech from February 17, 2003...a foreign policy speech by Howard Dean (who was said to be a novice in that area).

What a mess we are in now in the Middle East. We abandoned one country we had turned to shambles to go and turn another one to shambles. Frontline pointed that out to us. What a mess we are in. It did not have to happen. Sometimes I think I can't bear it, to see what we have done over there.

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Speech at Drake University on February 17 2003.

In the past, UN inspections destroyed more weapons of mass destruction capacity in Iraq than were destroyed in the Gulf War.

The inspectors are now back inside Iraq.

They are interviewing scientists. Confiscating papers. Conducting surprise visits. This past weekend, the lead inspectors reported that Iraqi cooperation, while still not satisfactory, is improving. Iraq has dropped its longstanding objections to U-2 surveillance flights. And serious proposals are being made for strengthening the inspection teams, making them bigger, and shielding them from intimidation.

The President dismisses all this, calling it a movie he has seen before.

He says we don't need more inspections, because we already have enough information to justify going to war.

My question is, why not use our information to help the UN disarm Iraq without war?

Secretary Powell's recent presentation at the UN showed the extent to which we have Iraq under an audio and visual microscope. Given that, I was impressed not by the vastness of evidence presented by the Secretary, but rather by its sketchiness. He said there would be no smoking gun, and there was none.

At the same time, it seems to me we are in possession of information that would be very helpful to UN inspectors. For example, if we know Iraqi scientists are being detained at an Iraqi guesthouse, why not surround the building and knock on the door?

If we think a facility is being used for biological weapons, why not send the inspectors to check it out?

And if we believe terrorists - especially if they are terrorists linked to al Qaeda - have set up a poison and explosives training center in Northern Iraq, outside Saddam Hussein's control, why haven't we verified that information and destroyed that camp?

We know that Saddam will get away with whatever he can.

But what can he get away with as long as Iraq is inspected, under constant surveillance, surrounded, grounded because of no fly zones, and barred from receiving weapons and other strategic materials?

The CIA and Defense Department have indicated that, by far, the most likely scenario for Saddam using chemical or biological weapons - or sponsoring a terrorist attack - would be precisely if we invaded Iraq, because then he would have nothing to lose.

Neither President Bush in the State of the Union nor Secretary Powell at the UN mentioned that intelligence assessment. And it is just one of many issues the President has not yet adequately addressed.

We have been told over and over again what the risks will be if we do not go to war.

We have been told little about what the risks will be if we do go to war.


There is more that he said, but that lays it out pretty well. This was before the shock and awe that happened in March. Somedays I can hardly take in what we have done, such enormous harm.

I certainly hope Iraq emerges from the war stable, united and democratic.

I certainly hope terrorists around the world conclude it is a mistake to defy America and cease, thereafter, to be terrorists.

It is possible, however, that events could go differently, and that the Iraqi Republican Guard will not sit out in the desert where they can be destroyed easily from the air.

It is possible that Iraq will try to force our troops to fight house to house in the middle of cities - on its turf, not ours - where precision-guided missiles are of little use.

It is possible that women and children will be used as shields and our efforts to minimize civilian casualties will be far less successful than we hope.

There are other risks.

Iraq is a divided country, with Sunni, Shia and Kurdish factions that share both bitter rivalries and access to large quantities of arms.

Iran and Turkey each have interests in Iraq they will be tempted to protect with or without our approval.

If the war lasts more than a few weeks, the danger of humanitarian disaster is high, because many Iraqis depend on their government for food, and during war it would be difficult for us to get all the necessary aid to the Iraqi people.

There is a risk of environmental disaster, caused by damage to Iraq's oil fields.

And, perhaps most importantly, there is a very real danger that war in Iraq will fuel the fires of international terror.

Anti-American feelings will surely be inflamed among the misguided who choose to see an assault on Iraq as an attack on Islam, or as a means of controlling Iraqi oil.


We went to Iraq and left Afghanistan to its own resources, and it is now coming back to bite us.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:11 AM
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1. Bush today called the Democrats "soft" of terror...Dean's response.
"Howard Dean, chair of the Democratic National Committee, responded to the president's boast that his party has more staying power by saying:

"What's softer than giving up the hunt for Osama bin Laden and ignoring the 16 intelligence agencies who told him that the war in Iraq is making us less safe at home and around the world?

It's time for the truth. All the tough talk in the world cannot hide the fact that President Bush and his GOP Congress's bad decisions have hurt America's security."


http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=73713
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:14 AM
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5. You know I heard sound clips from that speech - a 2k fundraiser of only
bush supporters. And he made these statements to no applause. Used to be he'd get roars for this kind of rhetoric.

It's good that Dean is responding to it, but it's really interesting that even the bush base doesn't seem to be lapping it up anymore.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 04:50 PM
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6. They are over reaching.
There are some still hanging on to the illusion, but they are fewer in number.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:36 AM
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2. From the comments at PBS...
"My favorite part was the one about how US is paying Pakistan who is paying Taliban who is paying the Al Qaeda. Great! So, we are still funding the al-qaeda indirectly. That's front page news!!"

"I find myself presently occupying a space between my government who intentionally hides the truth from me and Frontline who gives me more truth than I am able to handle without feelings of hopelessness. Even my step-father said to me tonight, "I'm glad I am 88 years old..."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:56 AM
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3. yes, funneling money to al-Quaqua on the taxpayer dime--priceless
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:07 AM
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4. You wouldn't want your boogie man going broke, would you?
The pugs need an enemy. They always have.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 12:22 AM
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7. I see Foley has Iraq, Bush's lies, Afghanistan....off the radar now.
And that is just a shame.

They are brilliant at manipulating the media, even if some of their own have to go down.

The GOP has never been this compliant in letting all this go on like it has...I am getting suspicious.

It was verified the administration did not tell us the truth, and out comes Foley.
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