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whometense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:39 AM Original message |
American Prospect's Charles Pierce nails the Dem party powerstruggle |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. Exactly. It's been pretty obvious about the Senate - confirmation hearings |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, he really nails it. |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. Clintonism: Cult of the Personality |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The Dem party infrastructure was left to collapse in 1997 and DNC's |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. What you said! |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Not the DNC per se |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Clinton gained presidency because LEFTY Dems kept pounding Bush1 NONSTOP |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Ok, I'll buy into that. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Definitely before the press lost its veneer of neutrality. After 96 there |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. They also went after Dean....and are still going after him...the DLC'ers. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. in that post, I was referring to media, but, yes, they do target Dean. |
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ginnyinWI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. he also had good political aides, IMO |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Still wouldn't have happened if Bush1 wasn't getting pummeled for 4yrs |
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whometense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. A-freaking-MEN!!! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
54. Perhaps to someone who doesn't understand policy |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 01:40 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I understand NAFTA and GATT..... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. And add Wefare "Reform" |
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Poppyseedman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. The democratic party will only find itself after they throw the Clinton's |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Thanks, PSman! |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Clinton is still valuable to us. His Chris Wallace take down did |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. And what was his follow-up? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Before the love Bush, don't forget Carville and Begala screeching that |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. He had several good reasons for not being before the public. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. That's what I wanted to believe, then I read his book. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I haven't read his book, so I can't comment. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Not ONE mention of BCCI - not one. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. What was Clinton's book about? Was it about his life or |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Both - his life, his political life before and during his presidency. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I might have to read it someday, but It will wait until I knock |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. He was talking about his relationship with Poppy Bush, not the |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. He was talking about the architect of IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. That's politics. But there is another message. Bill is |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. And sometimes you do the right thing, open the books, let chips fall |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. At that time I had a huge backlog of books. Other books |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Remember that nice little air field in |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. But the attacks about 9-11 started immediately and 8 books popped up |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. That is the job of the DNC leadership. They should have been |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. McAuliffe would have been all over it if Clinton directed him to do so. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Clinton was not his boss. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. They were and are very close. Clinton didn't shy away from all politics, |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. thanks for the good words. I haven't read Clinton's book |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Those other Dems were being BURDENED with the meme BECAUSE of Clinton |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. My feeling is what is happening now has nothing to do |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Yes - that is what party infrastructure does do in every state, county... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. The 15 state strategy, and abandoning grassroots organizing. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. As per the strategy set in the mid90s. After the 2000 election hearings |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I think we were in disarray, disillusioned, and outspent. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. I get the feeling that a small group of extremely wealthy |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Bill is too powerful to be ordered around. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Sure, he's powerful, but he was coopted the moment he chose to close the |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. It isn't him, but congress that does the investigating. Sure he |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 08:44 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. For some reason, George Mitchell turned down further funding. I doubt |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. When Clinton wrote his book he talked about what |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. Of course he is, very valuable |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. Funny... when I say this: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Me, too. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I agree... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
56. I've been saying it too |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
15. hmm, It's all Clinton's fault? |
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whometense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I'm not sure I'd put it that way: |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. That shouldn't excuse the tactic of actually undermining the left. If |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. See the Democratic Revolution of 1968, repeated in 1972. |
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whometense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I guess there's a reason |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. At least we will win this cycle, so we can look forward to a kinder, |
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whometense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I sure hope we will - |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
65. And notice: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
24. Excellent post! n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
63. How about the "non-partisan" |
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