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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:05 AM
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Jim Baker's Iraq report leaks out
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 12:11 AM by welshTerrier2
the big mystery about Baker's report has already hit the press ... they apparently wanted to hold this until after the midterms ... one of the two options Baker is presenting is the withdrawal of US troops to bases OUTSIDE Iraq ... the other option is trying to involve Iran and Syria in some kind of regional negotiation ... we've been hearing flavors of this from some Democrats for more than a year ...

politically, this is NOT the message bush wants to send before the election ... or is it? maybe this "leak" was carefully orchestrated ... maybe a less strident stance on Iraq will help bush's image with the voters and consequently help republicans who are desperately trying to hold off a massive Democratic tide in November ...

the pathetic reality is that we have little or no bargaining power in Iraq with the Iranians, the Syrians, or any of the Iraqi factions either ... what bush wants is to finalize oil deals to guarantee almost all of Iraq's future oil production to Big Oil ... there is no way bush will willingly leave without that guarantee and the Iraqis are not going to give him what he wants ... so they'll talk about a new direction and they'll talk about regional dialog and they'll talk about be open to the possibility of moving the troops "back a bit" ... it's all talk ... bush isn't going anywhere until the puppet dances to his tune ... and the puppets are not likely to do that given what's being demanded of them ...

the politics may get a bit more interesting for the next month or so; nothing good will happen in Iraq ... nothing ... those of you still clinging to hope that negotiations might yield something useful need to understand that you are by necessity accepting the premise that bush is seeking the same goals you are ... he isn't ... he is not seeking peace ... he is not seeking a stable Iraqi government; in fact, he may be about to topple the current one ... he is not seeking democracy or anything else for the Iraqi people ... plain and simple, this is about oil and greed ...

Baker's plan may be sincere but i doubt it ... the Democrats and their leave in 6 months, leave in a year plans may also be sincere ... but bush is there for oil whether we like it or not ... and as long as that is the price demanded, there cannot be peace ... we need to renounce all claims to Iraqi oil and we need to get the hell out of there ... in seeking any form of progress in Iraq, you are casting your lot with bush ... his motives are evil and corrupt ...


source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1924927,00.html?=rss

Bush confidant prepares way for radical shift by US on Iraq

· Talks with Iran and Syria seen as way to end chaos
· Report leaked before crucial November polls


A radical change in US policy over Iraq after the November elections appeared increasingly likely yesterday after reports that a bipartisan commission headed by a Bush family confidant will recommend an approach to Iran and Syria for help or a withdrawal to bases outside Iraq.

The Iraq Study Group is chaired by James Baker, who was the first President Bush's secretary of state. It is not due to deliver its findings until after the congressional elections on November 7 because of their potentially explosive political impact, but the panel's proceedings have been leaked to the press. <skip>

He made it clear he believed there should be approaches to Iraq's neighbours, including those the White House has accused of fomenting the insurgency. "I believe in talking to your enemies," he said. "Neither the Syrians nor the Iranians want a chaotic Iraq ... so maybe there is some potential for getting something other than opposition from those countries." <skip>

The second has been called "Redeploy and Contain", pulling US troops back to bases outside Iraq and conducting military operations from there in support of Iraqi government forces. <skip>
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:07 AM
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1. Hmmm, Murtha's "phased redeployment to the periphery"?
Geee, that Baker's a real smart guy.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:11 AM
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3. Hmmmm, And Wes Clark's talking to the Syrians and the Iranians.....
Yep...Smart guy that Baker fellow! :sarcasm:


Whatever their plans are for Iraq, they don't want to leave, and will find a way to stay.......but I guess if they got the oil contracts it means Success for the Bush Administration in reference to the Iraq war....cause wasn't that most of what it was about anyways, controlling China via the ME oil?
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harlinchi Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:52 AM
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7. Thanks for continuing to remind folks 'bout Clark's positions.
Of course this is why the GOP cried so loudly for so long wondering where was the Democrat's plan -- they wanted to use it themselves!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:18 AM
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4. Democrats, once again, fix Republican messes
Republicans, once again, suckle from the teat of the Democratic Party.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:30 PM
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13. Kerry'[s pan form 2004 ? Deja Vu all over again.
Frikkn Bak-whore is a plagiarist.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:07 AM
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2. Baker has been in on Iraq since George Sr. first began the Iraq killings.
n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 05:38 AM
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5. 9 soldiers killed so far today and they're gonna await the election
FUCKING COWARDS
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:20 AM
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6. Need to make sure the viability of 'alternative' plans are NOT an election
year issue.

Keep America in the Dark prior to elections is a Constitutional duty in their eyes, I guess.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:39 PM
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8. I Can't Wait for the Next Mission Accomplished Photo Op!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:59 PM
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9. Bush may not have a choice in leaving Iraq
There does come a point where the cost exceeds what ever the Oil Companies can take out of Iraq. The cost of rebuilding just the physical equipment that the US has lost in Iraq is estimated to be $70 billion dollars. That is off budget for now. That is in addition to the recent moneis appropriated for troop sustainment. This war is costing us a fortune.

The war has clearly lost the support of the Generals in both the US and the UK. This is not sustainable. Too many critical things that hold up the other house of cards that the US economy is stands on are crumbling. At this point, it is far cheaper for Big Oil and better business to pull out of Iraq and bribe their way into deals with the corrupt remaining Iraqi officials.

I believe that will happen. BTW, the US approval/disapproval of the war is 36/64%. The popular supports was always tenuous, it has collapsed. Other means will be employed to get the oil. This one isn't working.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:37 PM
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10. October surprise!!!
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:10 PM
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11. When Murtha suggested this he was 'cutting & running'
& hating America, & being a fake war hero. ChickenHawk Baker will be cosidered wise & noble. What a crock.

If they know now that Iraq is lost then we should get out now instead of letting Americans & Iraqs die for no reason like what happened in Vietnam.

Sure the oil companies want better contracts - that is what the Cheney energy commission was all about. Don't forget that the oil companies are making money as the price of oil goes up. Either way they are sitting pretty - it is a win win situation for them.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:14 PM
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12. A nice compilation of what Democrats have proposed for a while now...
And they say Democrats have no ideas?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 04:31 PM
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14. WHY IS SAUDI ARABIA's LAWYER WRITING OUR FOR. POLICY NOW?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:33 PM
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16. GOOD POINT!
Baker is a major league crook.. B*sh is, well...bush.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 06:46 PM
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15. Bush could pull the troops out tomorrow, I'd still vote straight Dem ticke
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:27 PM
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17. (?) Diamond
Someone Diamond who is Baker's senior adviser on the Iraq Study Group was just on CNN with Cooper. He gave out a preview of the recommendations, and guess what...I've heard them all before. (I really, really hate these bastards) 1) declare that there will NO permanent bases 2) convene an Iraq regional group 3) repair the constitution.

Any partition will lead to massive bloodshed much like the partition of India. Personally, I think it will be worse. At this point, according to Riverbend, there are no families who have not experienced deaths. We must consider that within the culture this presents certain demands or retribution. We can hope for something better, but I just don't see it.

Anyway, I know, I know, I'm a "Clark supporter." What is important is why I'm a Clark supporter. I've heard this message for years...years...or shall we say, 2,000 American deaths ago. God only knows how many Iraqi deaths ago. In fact, the General saw this coming before it started, although he recently told us that it is even worse than he imagined.

All Baker is doing is the usual: trying to get Democratic signatures on some bloody paper, and try to spread the guilt.

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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:43 PM
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18. So Baker's solution is "cut & run"?
:rofl: But, how is bush going to tell his fans that he has decided we must C & R? Poor, poor George...as Ann would say. Too bad she didn't live to see this election.
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