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Parisle Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:55 PM
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2006 democratic House majority needs to ignore party agenda,...
... and an incoming democratic president in 2008 needs to do the same thing. Once the neocon infestation is gone, then FIRST AND FOREMOST, all that they have done has to be struck from the record. Obliterated. Rescinded. Overturned. Cancelled. From the Patriot Act,.. to the NSA wiretapping bill,.. to the military commission law,... to abbrogation of the Geneva Conventions,.. to the laws retroactively absolving neocons of war crimes,... to their fiddling with posse comitatus, etc, etc,...... ALL that Bush has tried to do must first be put back right. The USA has to be returned to safe, healthy Constitutional operation,... and nothing less will suffice. Undoing the Bush administration's tampering with the Constitution is, for now, the ONLY priority,.... and while you're at it, get rid of those electronic vote-counting machines. All of them. Impeachment would be nice,.... criminal prosecution of Bush officials once they're out of office will do fine.

---- Let me say this again. These measures are the ONLY priority until they are put into action. The myriad traditional democratic constituencies can put aside their various esoteric concerns and pleas for money until the republic is whole again. This is a "lifeboat" situation,... not business as usual. Everything else can wait. If the democrats and their constituencies don't recognize that, then they are as much a part of the problem as were the Bush totalitarians.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:00 PM
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1. Great post! nt
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:04 PM
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2. Exactly
thank you.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:04 PM
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3. But Remember
To overturn all this, and bush will be sure to veto everything, the house and senate must have a veto proof majority. I just hope they get a majority. My stomach is in knots thinking rove has got those damn electronic machines programmed for republican wins.

But you are correct. To return this country to one governed by our Constitution and not the dictatorial powers of bush would show the world this country is not a power mad bunch of buttholes. That they are not going down the path that Hitler took during his march to rule the world. I do think that bush and cheney MUST GO.
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Parisle Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:26 PM
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7. 2006-2008 is just the "set-up"
---- I realize that virtually nothing is going to be overturned until after 2008, and with a democrat in the White House. One SOB I'd like to see dragged over the coals in the next two years, though, is Douglas Feith, the deceitful deputy Sec. of Def. who ran the Office of Special Plans. His investigation and questioning could last a year or two, eh?
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 06:12 AM
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12. For what? Hillary as unitary authoritarian executive?
Edited on Mon Oct-23-06 06:15 AM by pat_k
Members of Congress have a sworn duty to defend the Constitution. Impeachment is the weapon we gave them to fulfull their oath. They can take up the fight to impeach and remove, or betray their oath.

I am so frustrated and disappointed to see so many anti-fascists trying to rationalize dereliction of duty.

There is no escape from the choice: Duty or Complicity. No partisan "strategery" can provide an exit.

The antidote to so-called "partisanship" is to confront truth and reality head on and take the actions demanded by the facts.

The only way any elected official or candidate can prove commitment to our founding principles over party is to fight for those principles regardless of partisan concerns.

Instead of recognizing this and actually rising above partisanship by fighting for core principles, the so-called Democratic strategists think the antidote can be found in cynically "going along to get along" and saying they seek bipartisanship, which people across the spectrum assume is insincere (as demonstrated the assertion that Pelosi is just mouthing what the right wants to hear to mollify them -- something I have heard repeatedly from folks on our side.)

Nothing could be more wrong-headed than attempting to "rise above" partisanship by playing more partisan games.

What http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061022-105000-9810r">they are doing is morally reprehensible and politically suicidal.

From "The Genius of Impeachment: The Founders' Cure for Royalism," John Nichols

"When the congressional Democrats failed to pursue impeachment as the necessary response to the Iran-Contra revelations of rampant illegality in the Reagan White House – rejecting the advice of Henry B. Gonzalez, the wily Texas congressman who alone introduced the appropriate articles in 1987 – they thought they were positioning the party for victory in the coming presidential election. Instead, Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush, having recovered from the gentle slap on the wrist he received from Congress for his own involvement in the scandal, was elected to the presidency in 1988 by a landslide, and expected Democratic advances in Congress failed to materialize.

"Pulling punches in a political battle usually results in a knockout, with the party that holds back collapsing to the mat and struggling, often for a very long time, to finally get up again. And the Democratic Party of the George Herbert Walker Bush years, with its inexplicable penchant for pulling punches, runs the very real risk of being flattened not once but repeatedly if it fails to confront the issue of rampant wrongdoing on the part of the Bush administration.". . .

http://www.davidswanson.org/?q=node/621">More on David Swanson's blog
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:09 PM
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4. Agreed! First things first. Once these Humpty-Dumptys are
out, Congress is going to have to put America back together again. The initial step will be distinguishing fact from fiction, truth from lies, and that will mean examining all the assertions by the Bush administration to see what is true and what is false. That could take a decade. The goal has to be honest government above all. Every agenda, whether Democratic or Republican must measure up in the scrutiny of full disclosure. Half the "secrets" of the Bush administration were just foils against open debate on the issues. It's time to remove the barriers to the truth. All other agendas can wait.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:09 PM
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5. Please don't leave out No Child Left Behind
It needs to go in the worst way.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:13 PM
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6. AMEN! Recommended
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:08 AM
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8. I agree ABSOLUTELY! K&R nt
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greeneyedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:24 AM
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9. yes. restore our Constitutional gov't first, then implement other policies
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:25 AM
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10. Some here would like to see the damage from Reagan's presidency repaired
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:52 AM
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11. Impeachment IS Our Positive Agenda!
Every single day, Madam Pelosi exonerates Bush and Cheney in stronger terms.

WASHINGTON, Oct. 22 (UPI) -- U.S. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has pledged not to pursue impeachment of President George W. Bush if Democrats win the November election.

"Impeachment is off the table," said Pelosi in an interview aired Sunday on CBS "60 Minutes."

Asked if that was a pledge, Pelosi said it was.

"Yes, it is a pledge," she said. "Of course it is.". . .

She is bending over backwards to give the Fascists an unassailable argument -- i.e., "If we were destroying the Constitution, members of Congress, who are sworn to defend it, would be calling for our impeachment and removal. Not only are they NOT calling for impeachment, they are pledging NOT to impeach. With their pledge, we are exonerated of the charges coming from the "looney left."

I am so outraged. . . anguished. . .

Throughout the countless horrors of the "Bush years" my faith that the elected officials on "our side" were reachable has been unwavering.

Now, when things are supposedly "going our way," my faith is being put to a test unlike any I can remember. It is mind-boggling. Leaders that I firmly believed were on the side of the Anti-fascists are going out of their way to enable and give cover to the Fascists.

Their silence was horrible enough, but this. . . morally reprehensible . . . politically INSANE. . .

From every quarter, Americans are being bombarded by anti-impeachment propaganda. Incredibly, even with the incessant and universal drum beat against it, a MAJORITY of Americans want impeachment to be a priority!! Only 44% think they "shouldn't do it"!

What is wrong with these people?

Seriously!

Could there be massive amounts of mercury or something in the in the water on Capitol Hill? Have they been poisoned? Brain damaged?

Because you would have to be brain damaged to look at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2574232&mesg_id=2574535">THESE NUMBERS in this climate and conclude "Gee, we'd better get our there and unequivocally pledge not to Impeach Anybody!!

Whatever the reason . .
If Madam Pelosi becomes Madam Speaker, she'll need to make a few adjustments to the Congressional oath.


I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and be derelict in my duty to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear foreswear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will fail to take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully negligently and faithlessly discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.


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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 06:13 AM
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13. Anything in 2007 will be only tinkering around the edges
there will not be 60 Dem votes in the Senate and the President will have the veto meaning the Dems need 2/3 vote to override in both Houses.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 06:17 AM
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14. . . .and no magic solution to rule by signing statement. . .
. . .that does not include impeachment.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 06:31 AM
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15. BULL! This country is headed for an economic tailspin. #1 will be fiscal.
After years of BORROWING 25% to 35% of income, 5% of GDP with a GDP growth of UNDER 5% we are headed for a bunch of bad numbers the CONs will hold high and blame us. I'm not worried about the blame, but the damage is huge. Years of "our economic statistics are up" quietly due to borrowing hid the declining infrastructure, e.g. manufacturing, and soom the interest payments will be due.

It's going to be like Clinton in '92: jobs, economy, and then doing the good things.

Doing the good things first will go over as well as don't ask don't tell.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 06:41 AM
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16. Agreed. This should be a priority.
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