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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:45 PM
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No Impeachment for Bush
Hate to say it as much as I would LOVE to see him impeached. We could impeach him but we sure as hell dont have a prayer of getting him convicted in the senate. Why waste our time like they did back in 98 with Clinton. All it does is piss off the other side. That was the MAIN reason we won seats in 98 and why Newt got booted later on. Lets just work together with the enemy in the white house and build a consensus to benefit Americans. Pelosi wont allow him to get over on us anymore and has the power to put him in his place.


We have alot of work to do and a short time to get there. Lets get it done so we can reinforce our majority position in 2008 and win the executive branch as well.
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:46 PM
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1. could not agree more
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:48 PM
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2. Thanks , but no thanks ,This fuck has assaulted our country and Impeachment is
the only way to distance ourselves from what He's done.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:48 PM
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3. No, impeach Bush AND Cheney.




Then Pelosi will be President and we can REALLY make some progress!







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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:49 PM
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4. Along the way a couple investigations would be nice.
Wait until Bush is out of the WH then ship him off to the World Court.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:50 PM
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6. Yes, there should definitely be investigations.
Time for some subpoenas to start flowing from Capitol Hill to the White House.

What was that number I heard somewhere? 1600 subpoenas during President Clinton's term, and ZERO in the last six years???
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:50 PM
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5. However dems must investigate and exercize strong oversight.
And that means don't be afraid to issue subpeonas.

There is so much to investigate, it has to be prioritized.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:50 PM
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7. I also agree.
Investigations, sure. But only after we have our agenda well under way.

As somebody pointed out elsewhere, the media will only focus on one thing at a time. And they prefer scandal to substance. If you want your substance to be recognized (so you can, say, win the 2008 elections), you have to do it first. If you break out with the investigations too soon, the media will feast on that and the voters will never hear the accomplishments you've made with your agenda.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:51 PM
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8. How would you know that without examining evidence?
Perhaps there is solid evidence to convince the Senate that high crimes were committed.

Why do so many people insist that these fuckers are never held accountable for anything?

This isn't a game, 600,000+ innocent people are dead. These people are war criminals.

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fat dad Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:32 PM
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31. This isn't a game, 600,000+ innocent people are dead.
Zackly. This isn't tit for tat - blow job against blow job.

If there are major offenses, easily provable, we owe it to our system to prosecute to the fullest. We can't worry "how it looks".
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:51 PM
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9. Can we at least have the Military Commisions Act, Abolished
Domestic Spying banned, and the Patriot Act Abolished? I would be happy with that.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:57 PM
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13. We need to Abolish 90% of his policies and tax breaks ,IMPEACHMENT!
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 09:57 PM by orpupilofnature57
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:59 PM
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15. AMEN!!!!!
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:51 PM
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10. I Dissagree Think about it! You have a hearing call witnesses under Subpoena
When the facts come out he will resign trying to get his successor in to pardon him before he gets the jail term he deserves! With all of the evidence damming him we need to do this big time to stop them from ever doing it to us again.. Nixon should have been the end of the rePuglican party we need to make Bush the death nail for them this time!

October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"

Got Fascism Yet?


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm



Fascism Accomplished!
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:55 PM
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11. Sorry, but if there EVER WAS A TIME FOR IMPEACHMENT, this would be it!
Bush, Cheney and gang have engaged on an illegal war, raped the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, engaged in torture, raised a crippling debt, and dismantled the state.

It doesn't get any worse than this to impeach a president.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:15 PM
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24. Good point. We can recover some world-wide respect if we impeach.




Failure to impeach will be interpreted as tacit compliance.



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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:22 PM
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27. Impeachment requires criminal Indictments - or - Just Malfeasance?
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:40 PM
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35.  Good question.



"In the United States, impeachment can occur both at the federal and state level. At the federal level, different standards apply when the impeachment involves a member of the executive branch or of the judiciary .. For the executive branch, only those who have allegedly committed "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" may be impeached. Although treason and bribery are obvious, the Constitution is silent on what constitutes a "high crime or misdemeanor." Several commentators have suggested that Congress alone may decide for itself what constitutes an impeachable offense."


Source: Wikiedia; Search: "Impeachment"



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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:56 PM
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12. I say we investigate and let the American people decide if they want
Impeachment.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:20 PM
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26. Great Research projects here. What went wrong?
Lots of data.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:58 PM
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14. Over-sight is more important than Impeachment. Indictments are still
a possibility.

"Over Sight" on all the contracting and what about "Freedom of Information" concerning the Invasion of Iraq?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:00 PM
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16. Let's make a deal on Parental Notification for Pregnant Minors,
with exceptions for adolescents who need to claim their legal Majority to emancipate themselves from Dysfunctional Parents.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:05 PM
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17. Real Right to Life IS Education.
"Right to carry concealed weapons" + and no education is Murder.

Free Pre-School.

And Real Right to Life and Anti-War should actually have shared interests.

If people are having babies, children need health-care and education. Anything else would be very stupid.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:09 PM
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18. We want the Free Media for the "loyal opposition".
Balanced broadcast times for both/all perspectives.

Publicly financed campaigns for local candidates.

Related Standards.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:12 PM
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19. MSM lost too ,good.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:13 PM
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20. We need committees to study everything about the Invasion of Iraq.
We're really too busy for Impeachment. Let's Censur him.

Give him his employee evaluation.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:14 PM
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22. Richard Clark could advise.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:14 PM
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21. Let's give him his Employee Evaluation.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:15 PM
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23. inc
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 10:18 PM by orpupilofnature57
IMPEACHMENT
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:17 PM
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25. We have other things to be responsible for too.
Impeachment isn't the only thing there is to do.

Everything has to be Investigated.

I think we're too busy to give too much time to Impeachment.

There are and will continue to be criminal Indictments.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:23 PM
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28. Misanthropy needs to be purged, like in Iraq.Impeachment would
Help World relations ,our economy ( the other 85% )and the Environment,Whats more important than protecting our country from Tyrants?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:24 PM
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29. Fix Iraq FIRST, investigate it LATER!!
The media prefers to cover scandal over substance. If you start investigating things before you actually accomplish something, the media will feast on the investigations cover nothing else...

The voters have said that they want ACTION, not more fingerpointing. If all they hear from the media are investigations, the Dems will fair badly in 2008.

The voters have given the Dems an opportunity, not a mandate.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:29 PM
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30. I am thinking it will be necessary to Investigate Iraq in order to Fix it right.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:40 PM
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34. Not true! Investigating why there weren't enough...
troops on the ground does not put more troops on the ground.

The Iraqi government needs to be stabilized before we can exit. Shaking our own government up with investigations and impeachment does nothing to accomplish this.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:33 PM
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32. You're pretty naive if you really think Bush is going to work with us
Yeah, he'll sign a few generic bills that both sides agree on, but for the heavy duty stuff, the veto will be in full motion.

This don't impeach Bush stuff is mind boggling.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:43 PM
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36. He'll work with us on Iraq!
Do you think he would want to set himself up to be the scapegoat for a Democratic failure in Iraq? Heck no! He wants the Dems to try to fix this mess and fail so that the Repubs can use it as fodder for the 2008 elections!

The worst thing he could do is hinder the Dems plan for Iraq. Then, if we're still there in 2 years the Dems can say, "we had a plan, but Bush blocked us from implementing it", implying that success in Iraq requires a Democratic President.

Nope. Iraq is the Dems mess now. All the more reason to forget about investigations for the time being and to concentrate on fixing it!
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:36 PM
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33. Definitely.
The most important thing to do now is implement an agenda for change. Abolish the unconstitutional laws put into place by the administration, raise the minimum wage, improve the US's general quality of life and then start investigating members of the cabinet. Impeachment may be a possibility if those investigations turn up a really juicy scandal that the media can run with, but as things stand impeachment is not at all politically expedient.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:47 PM
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37. IMPEACH BUSH!
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:26 PM
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39. Love that print, Swamp Rat
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:53 PM
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38. So just let him get away with mass murder for profit?
Would you have given Hitler a free pass too because it "might" not work?
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:37 PM
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40. Another Low Post Count, Hit And Run Post
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 05:40 PM by TheWatcher
"Please Don't Investigate Us."

After all that has been done and committed, how in the hell could anyone argue against Impeachment.

What is WRONG with the people of this country?

This isn't a Blowjob or an affair with an Intern.

This ISN'T a game. There have been more crimes and impeachable offenses committed by this administration than ANY ADMINISTRATION IN THIS COUNTRY'S HISTORY.

This administration makes Nixon look like CHRIST.

The Military Commissions Act that just got passed is essentially THE ENABLING ACT.

Am I to understand that now that we have won back control, we are just going to forgive everything they have done and give them a pass?

I'm sorry, this country does not deserve to survive if we just let all of them walk, and do nothing about the crimes they have committed.

And we certainly don't ever deserve to have ANY standing or moral authority in the world if this administration is allowed to go unscathed.

Please don't tell me that everything we have been through was for nothing. Please tell me that the people that have died needlessly in this war, are not going to receive the ultimate insult of no justice whatsoever.

Please, someone tell me we are better than this.

That somehow that Rule Of Law and our Constitution still matters.

Because if it doesn't, this is where I get off this ride.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:50 PM
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41. DAMN STRAIGHT! This ain't no fucking game... people are DYING RIGHT NOW!!!
Our soldiers are getting killed and maimed, thousands of civilians are being obliterated, the enabling acts, crime after crime...

and WE IN NEW ORLEANS DEMAND JUSTICE!!! :mad:



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CharmCity Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:26 PM
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42. Nah. Wait 'til he's out...
and charge him as a war criminal.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:33 PM
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43. The only way to assure he doesn't meddle with our Government
for the next 30 yrs, like his father the last 50 yrs though only elected once ,( no new taxes ),but he's still suspect in my warped mind. http://tomflocco.com/Docs/63/BushJfkBookDepo.htm
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