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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 10:03 AM
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Time for the Dems to govern from "The Center"!!!!!!
Here is "The Center":



In recent polls by the Pew Research Group, the Opinion Research Corporation, the Wall Street Journal, and CBS News, the American majority (Democrats AND Republicans) has made clear how it feels. Look at how the majority feels about some of the issues that you'd think would be gospel to a real Democratic Party:

1. 65 percent (of ALL Americans, Democrats AND Republicans) say the government should guarantee health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes.

2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage (including 79 percent of selfdescribed "social conservatives").

3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich.

4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.

6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels.

7. 69 percent agree that corporate offshoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe offshoring is good because "it keeps costs down."


http://alternet.org/wiretap/29788/

8. Over 63% oppose the War on the Iraqi People.

9. 92% of ALL Americans support TRANSPARENT, VERIFIABLE elections!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445



How does it feel to be a "Centrist"?



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.


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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 10:05 AM
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1. K&R!
:toast:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 10:05 AM
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2. K&R
:thumbsup:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 10:06 AM
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3. It's been that way for decades.
Nothing yet.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 10:13 AM
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4. Who are the 8% that oppose transparent verifiable elections?
:crazy:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 10:16 AM
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5. The Republican base. eom
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:06 AM
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35. To quote Blazing Saddles:
" we're talking about the salt of the earth, common folk..you know...idiots! "
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 10:20 AM
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6. All except the war are leftie policies
Leftie economic policies (by US standards). Being anti-interventionist (against wars) is actualy conservative, but the Republicans have put that principle on its head ever since Vietnam.

Therefore, if one is to be popular among Americans, one should be a) anti-corporate, pro-worker, b)anti-war and c) centrist to conservative on social issues (abortion, stem cells, animal rights, guns, etc.).

Folks, there is a word for that, and it is POPULISM. The Democrats had better get on board this agenda because populism WILL win in the South and the midwest. It had before, and it will again. This is, of course, not a recipe for bastions of liberalism, but it will work on traditionally Repuke areas.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:04 AM
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7. 8% Americans completely disgust me
There are 24 million Americans who don't support transparent verifiable elections and that's a damn shame.

I think we need to get on board for health care for all right now that we have the chance. Like now! Today! Let's make it happen.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:10 AM
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8. We have to reclaim the center from the rightwing bullshit media system.
They have succeeded in defining the center as somewhere far to the right of Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:13 AM
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9. Even a liberal can agree with that.
:kick:
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:05 PM
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10. So long as we also impeach Bush.
Bush MUST be impeached.

Here's why: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2657058#2658419

The WORLD is waiting to see if we will hold Bush accountable. I hope to goodness I can travel abroad and not be ashamed of the Democratic Party.

-Laelth
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:26 PM
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24. Long, slow, train of investigations.
We've got a lot of facts to find. Impeachment is too swift, too certain. The important thing is to get the truth out. The Nixon scandals, the Reagan scandals, the Bush 1 scandals were all speedily handled. And the lying, cheating scoundrels got elected again and again. Who cares about convictions? The convictions of the Iran Contra crew did not end the influence and power of the right-wingers. Those convictions did not convince the people of the U.S. that voting for criminals is wrong. No, impeachment is too kind. I want the discovery. I want to establish a record for history. I want to educate the masses so that no one can deny what crooks these people are. I want to humiliate these people to the point they either decided to apologize and change their ways or cut and run from political life forever.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:12 PM
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11. K & R! And thank you for this post.
:kick:

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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:22 PM
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12. sheesh, for so long I thought I was a left wing liberal wacko...
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jpwhite Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:57 PM
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13. these are the things that we need to run with
These are the issues that we need to run with. For example, instead of privatizing social security let's raise the FICA tax limit from 90,000 to 1 million. That way social security will always be funded. Social security is really a "legacy tax". Our fathers paid for their fathers, and we are paying for our parents. It's a good thing.

I want to provide basic health insurance for everyone because it makes sense. Right now people without health insurance are going to the emergency room and it ends up costing us more money. They should be able to go to a clinic and get the minor stuff taken care of there. That way it won't cost as much.

I do care about people and I want to see that everyone is taken care of. But if you think about it, it just makes more sense to provide universal health care. It also makes sense to raise the minimum wage. If people at the low to middle end of the spectrum make more money then they will be less likely to need to be on government assistance. I thought that is something that the Republicans wanted, isn't it?

The perfect way to reduce spending by the pentagon is to provide oversight into how money is spent in Iraq. How is it that civilians here make over 100,000 while soldiers here make a third of that? Also, the cold war is over. Why are we still in Germany? We need to get our people out of Germany. That would save a bunch of money as well.

We as democrats need to stop with all of the name calling and set an agenda to fix this country. America is a great place, and we can lead this country into the 21st century.

James
jpwhite@okstatealumni.org

ps. For 2008 we need to have a candidate who is not from the northeast. We need to make sure that it's someone who is more moderate than Kerry is, and someone that can relate to the majority of Americans. (i.e. Bill Richardson from New Mexico, Al Gore, or John Edwards)
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:19 PM
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14. It's time for Dems to show the world how it's done.
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 01:19 PM by longship
It's time for Democrats to govern, and to show the world that we can govern.

All this talk about governing from the center that we're hearing from the DC insiders is utter rubbish. Framing everything in ideological terms is precisely what we should *NOT* do. We should take on *issues*, not ideology.

I'm with you 100%, my friend. Great post.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:22 PM
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15. kicked, recommended, and bookmarked
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:50 PM
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16. Define the Center
Excellent post. The center is where the moderates are ;-) We should lable this the moderate agenda!
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:25 AM
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30. define moderate. nt
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:53 PM
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17. Thanks bvar22 been quoting your post all day
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 01:53 PM by ACK
Thank you very much.

As far back as the days of Mondale versus Reagan this has been the case. The majority of people in the US are center-left.

The Repukes are the radicals on the fringes of political thought and have always been.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:28 PM
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18. Exactly! Great post!
And clean up all the corruption, lobbyist created legislation and pork barrel spending as well!

All of these measures are just as popular if not more popular!
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:39 PM
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19. Sounds good to me. k&r
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:09 PM
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20. You got it
The Republicans have thrived on forcing unpopular policies down the throats of the electorate while mesmerizing them with spinning wedge issues waved in front of their eyes.

Cut the wedge issues out from under them and they have nothing. Just be sure you don't cut the wedge issues out by opting to pick them up and use them to trample over some segment of Americans with them ourselves. And above all, don't try the Republican lite tactic of supporting the unpopular policies while ignoring the wedge issues -- that's been the formula for failure.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:07 PM
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21. Thanks for posting bvar22
Kicked and recommended

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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:45 PM
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22. That's my kind of center!
n/t
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:19 PM
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23. "92% of ALL Americans support TRANSPARENT, VERIFIABLE elections!"
Makes ya wonder who those other 8% are. :scared:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:48 PM
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27. 4% don't know what "transparent" and "verifiable" means
The other 4% want to steal votes.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:28 PM
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25. Great post!
It's wonderful to be able to indulge in a little optimism for a change. For the first time since December 2000, I've got hope for this country.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:44 PM
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26. K&R
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:51 PM
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28. For all of the time we spend bitching about left vs center
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 09:51 PM by Hippo_Tron
We pretty much all seem to agree on most of the core issues.

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:32 AM
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31. I think a lot of people
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 01:33 AM by fujiyama
around the nation have come to realize that these terms are meaningless.

Corruption is corruption. Watching a failing war every night on the news is the same for most. Watching the president come on TV the next day and say "we're making progress" is not only bizarre and delusional behavior - it's fuckin insulting.

Most people want healthcare in case they lose their job - more importantly they're concerned about their child having healthcare.

They want to make sure their vote counts...not end up in some machine which they know can crash and have infamous blue screens of death. They don't want data being "erased".

If Dems deliver even some of this - or make a real genuine and sincere effort, they can keep these majorities

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 10:23 PM
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29. 2/3 of Americans are PROCHOICE and don't y'all forget it.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:26 AM
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32. The True Majority has given a mandate. Any elected official who defies
the will of the people should be pink slipped!
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 08:04 AM
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33. Yeah, we better move toward the center right, FAST!
:sarcasm:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:40 AM
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34. The Military Industrial Complex
Had either refocus it's contracts to domestic infrastructure or go the way of the damn dodo.

They need to be put in their place. PRONTO. We do not need a new ultra-submarine. There is no Cold War now and that sh*t does not fight terrorism.
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