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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:23 PM
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Rhode Islanders: Regarding Lincoln Chafee...
I'm glad we gained another seat, but have to say that I'm sorry to see a man that I thought was truly honorable have to go to win it. Now that he has announced he will vote NOT to confirm Bolton, my admiration has grown yet again.

He broke with his hateful, fear-mongering party so many times--and because of that, I wonder:

Do you think the RI Republican Party put a lot of resources and weight to his campaign?

I've often wondered how the current Rs would treat one of their own in a re-election bid when they perhaps perceived him as a threat to an R president and/or agenda. Was he well-financed? Lots of ads? Volunteers? What do you think?



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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:25 PM
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1. Deep down, I think Lincoln is a Dem...
...who, by birth and birth alone, was hard-wired to be a repug, much in the same way that I, by birth, am a hard-wired FDR Dem (my Dad and Mom were FDR Dems).
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:29 PM
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4. I'm much like you; my parents were FDR type Dems (from Kansas, no less!).
And I think you are right about Chafee; he could no more become a Democrat than I could become a Republican (or even a Green, for that matter).

It just would be a tremendous disconnect.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:27 PM
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2. I'm not from RI, but I agree with
you that Linc Chafee was an honorable guy. I'll miss him. And yes the national repubs poured a shitload of money into his campaign, and support.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:28 PM
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3. Club for Growth and their ilk were trying to do him in
The GOP, I guess, just liked having a Republican holding the seat. They likely realized that Chaffee was their best hope for a Republican in Rhode Island.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:30 PM
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5. If I had been in Rhode Island
I'm not so sure I wouldn't have voted for him. That took balls to be the only republican to vote against Mr. Bush's war. He's for sure to the left of my DINO senator. I wish he would have went independent or switched parties - he probably would have won his seat back if he had. I just hate seeing people get beat because of the letter by there name. I'm on the other side of that being from Nebraska, so it's just something I really hate to see.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:33 PM
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8. As I mention above, I'm pretty much Democrat in the vein
but I really do think I could have marked that R for him, given the chance.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:50 PM
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16. You don't need 'balls' to have moral fortitude. Can't he see Daddy's party left him behind? nt
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:32 PM
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6. they put a ton of money in his race
and he still ran as a Republican.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:32 PM
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7. I feel bad Chafee lost
He's one of the extremely few Republicans that showed a true conscious. I guess because of that conscious, the GOP let him go without assistance of dirty tricks which lead to his defeat. I hope he returns to the political arena wearing a new initial behind his name. He's a good man.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:36 PM
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9. Egads... he got what he deserved and that's the end of it.
He enabled them and supported them when it counted. It's gonna take a lot to make up for that.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:40 PM
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11. ??? He voted NO in the IWR, for pity's sake.
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 05:47 PM by blondeatlast
Even our guys let us down--and he pretty much has made Bolton's nomination a dead issue, thank God.

But, um, thanks for playing.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:57 PM
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17. Yes, and...
...he also ran against a real progressive, Whitehouse, and waged a slanderous campaign against him and the Democratic Party. I'm just glad he lost and is on the sidelines now. We need real leaders, not moral basket cases wrought with guilt and indecision.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:01 PM
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18. Okay, I can accept that--and see my question below.
Was his the nasty campaign, or was it the RNCs?

For instance, the DSCC ran far different ads for our candidate than the candidate's committee did.

Who paid for the nasty ads, and can you show me evidence that he approved them?

I'm willing to play along here; I find this quite interesting.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:34 PM
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19. It doesn't matter.
Was he condemning them? Even Corker condemned the anti-Ford ads by the RNC/RNSC. But that's too little. He got to sit back and take the apparent "high road" while his partison comrades did the hatchet job.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:38 PM
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10. What were ads like? Did they get ugly?
Did his campaign and the RNC campaign converge, or were they of two different camps?

Can't help it, I'm such a wonk and I think this might be truly interesting in the long run.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:47 PM
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12. Chafee is not honorable!

Here in Providence, my girlfriend and a lot of other people called Lincoln's office a LOT about opposing the Bolton nomination, and he didn't do anything!!! Then we saw him out on the campaign trail and embarressed him in public about Bolton and NOT listening to what RI voters were telling him on the phone and in surveys.

Now, months later he does something. If he would have opposed Bolton when it counted and locked the nomination in comittee, then he might have actually got Dem votes. (but then again he wouldn't have gotten money from George's friends.)

I don't see anything honorable about his actions. They aren't even face-saving if you follow the history of it all. Just annother GOP too little too late.

That isn't leadership.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:49 PM
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14. Again, thanks for playing> Leadership is voting AGAINST the IWR when your party clearly
wants you to vote for it.

I only wish most of the Dems would have had that kind of "cowardice."
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:48 PM
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13. Lincoln imo would be a good ambassador, he should take bolton's place.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:50 PM
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15. Hasn't got a chance, though. No way would W nominate him.
But what a wonderful, wonderful idea...
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