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madfloridian

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Fri Nov-10-06 07:58 PM
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I have one more thing to say about the Carville oops today..

And then I will let it drop, just as I have almost done on the Lieberman thing. But I think this is important. Harold Ford last year said he might ask Howard Dean to step down. So that is why I mention it.

Then I am done with it until the next thing comes along. I am willing to give equal credit to everyone who worked hard to win, but I will fight against unfairness.

This is what Harold Ford said on Imus last year, so when Carville said something today it hit some hard. Now I will have said it, and I will move on to other things.

Dems are rallying behind Dean, but Harold Ford of TN missed the memo. From his appearance on Imus this morning:

June 9, 2005
Imus: "On another note here, speaking of the Democratic Party, which you are a member of, how's Howard Dean working for you?"

Rep. Harold Ford Jr.: "(Laughing) I won't have him down so many times in Tennessee on the campaign trail with me. He has made some comments as of late that really speak to a lack of understanding I think, of the country, a lack of understanding of faith and values. I'm a Democrat and I'm a God fearing one. I grew up in church. Christianity is not reserved for white males. I think perhaps Governor Dean sometimes gets a little excited at the mouth, and says things that are simply not true. It may reach a point where if he can't find a way to kind of control some of his comments, and temper his comments, it may get to the point where the party may need to look elsewhere for leadership, because he does not speak for me, and I know he does not speak for a majority of Democrats and I dare say Republicans in my home state. I know that other, even Senator Biden and others, have made some stronger comments about him. I look forward to having a chance to sit with him here in the next day or so. I think he's going to be here in Capitol Hill a little later today to meet with us. I want to ask him directly. Can he contain himself in a lot of ways, and what is his thought process in a lot of these issues because it is not representative of where the party is."

Posted by Tom Maguire on June 09, 2005 | Permalink

And I can't find the Imus transcript, but here is Russert referring to it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8130648/

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truedelphi

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:02 PM
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1. Harold Ford is Republican lite

And the other Dems who don't like Dean deserve to be painted with the same
coloring

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joe6565

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:03 PM
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2. Carville

What did he do ?

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bemildred

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:03 PM
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3. Ah yes, the "loose cannon" slur. nt

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:03 PM
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4. Hal can go intercourse himself.

Really. He can share what he learns from the experience with Jimmy Coonass.

Jeebus, these guys are full of themselves.

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eleny

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:04 PM
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5. Thanks for the context

K&R!

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Old and In the Way

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:06 PM
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6. I know he does not speak for a majority of Democrats and I dare say Republicans in my home state.

Well....duuuh, Harold. Truth be known, Ed Gillispie and Ken Mehlman didn't speak for me, either.

The more I hear from this guy, the less impressed I am. I think Harold ought to become a preacher, it seems he missed his true vocation in life.

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The Count

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:08 PM
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7. Not missing Harold. Of all candidates, I miss him least.

I remember his gambit for Pelosi seat. A bunch pf career opportunists.

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joe6565

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:09 PM
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8. ok

Thanks alot you guys, excuse me for living

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babylonsister

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:21 PM
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12. All you need to do is look around - there are tons of threads, and

here's one(Carville was dissing Dean):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2676660&mesg_id=2676660

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Clark2008

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:14 PM
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9. Harold got more votes in Tennessee than Dean did.

:shrug:

(And, yes, I'm gigging you because, for some reason, you always go ballistic about my telling you that Dean wasn't very popular amongst voters here, even though you can see in other threads that I support Dean.)

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madfloridian

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:18 PM
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11. Harold has no right to tell him not to go to TN or to ask him to leave.

as chairman. He has no right to judge his morality. Harold does not have that right.

He did not elect Dean.

It has nothing to do with whether Dean is popular in TN or not. You have made it clear here that TN folks don't like Dean. Point made.

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Cha

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:35 PM
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15. Too bad for Tennesseans.

Their loss. And I'm sure it's not all... I bet Johnny Cash woulda loved Dean, June, too :)

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Clark2008

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:59 PM
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20. Dunno - but George Jones campaigned for Wes Clark!

:)

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Cha

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Fri Nov-10-06 09:12 PM
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21. Smart guy!

There's a whole Music Row Democrats thing goin' on. You just reminded me of it..

http://www.musicrowdemocrats.com/

http://musicrowdemocrats.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=67

Maybe some more will speak out now that The Democratic Party has risen again.

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Clark2008

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:56 PM
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19. See - it worked again.

Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 08:59 PM by Clark2008

How many times do I have to tell you that I LIKE Dean - in fact, when I KNEW he couldn't win a national election back in January 2004, I thought he would be PERFECT as DNC chair: he's good a firing up the base and raising money, but a New Englander simply isn't going to win a national election (unless he is a Republican). And, I'm married to a New Englander who happens to agree with me.

And, I said nothing about whether it was right or wrong for Harold to say that. I said nothing about Ford's lack of support for Dean. I said NOTHING, other than "Ford," "Dean" and "Tennessee," which seems to send you into fits of convulsion.

P.S. That clip of Dean on Stewart was adorable, btw.

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SouthernBelle82

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:35 PM
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34. On Dean

Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 10:36 PM by SouthernBelle82

I don't think Vermont is a New England state. It's more of a southern state. If Dean didn't win the Tennessee primary for president in the democratic party why would Ford invite him? It wouldn't be a smart move to invite Dean down even if he was chairman since his purpose (Ford's) was to win the election. He had a tougher battle than some of the other candidates.

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madfloridian

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:58 PM
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38. Why go on Imus and question his religous and moral views?

Why act so superior? One of the largest DFAs is in TN, in fact a couple of them are very large.

Why insult each other as Democrats? Harold Ford is no better than I am, he is no better than Dean is.

If he did not want to have him campaign, fine...but for God's sake don't go and Imus and insult him.

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tnlefty

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Sat Nov-11-06 05:07 PM
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24. Well, this TNessean has always liked Dean and admired his spunk.

Keep kickin' ass and takin' names Chairman!

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SouthernBelle82

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:34 PM
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33. What?

So the candidate who won the primary and running his own campaign can't not invite someone down? Why do you have the right to tell him what to do with his campaign? Or are you Harold now? Oh and folks in Tn don't like Dean? Wow so I guess I as a Tennesseean and someone who likes Dean (not for a presidential candidate but as a person and as a chairman) you don't have your point made. So since when did you speak for me as a Tennesseean on who I do and don't like? You owe me an apology and the rest of the Tennessee voters here who you've insulted by claiming to speak for us. How rude.

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madfloridian

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Sat Nov-11-06 11:05 PM
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41. I owe you no apology. Ford was rude on national TV.

No apology.

A lot of candidates don't have Dean campaign with them in the South. I live here so I can say it....many in the South think they are superior.

Now, that great Bill Winter who ran in one of the Western states asked Dean to pose with him for a picture. Dean finally did, but he warned him first that they would use it against him.

There is a difference between NOT having someone campaign with you, and going on TV and lecturing them, acting superior, and insulting them.

I am a Southerner, born and bred. I was taught not to be rude.

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SouthernBelle82

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:32 PM
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32. Yep

Didn't even Kerry beat Dean in the primary's? If I'm remembering right.

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mitchtv

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Sat Nov-11-06 11:01 PM
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40. Ford proved HST's adage

"If you give the people a choice between a real republican, and a fake republican, they'll pick the real one..."

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madfloridian

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Sat Nov-11-06 11:07 PM
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42. ooh, slap, smackdown...cute.

Cute one....ooh.

Back to the primaries.

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Cha

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:17 PM
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10. Oh yeah, I remember that shit now.

And he was oh so quick to jump on Kerry..too bad he lost.

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blm

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:24 PM
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13. Ford acted the idiot pawn for Carville and Cliton - let's be honest here - we have know for

Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 08:41 PM by blm

over a year that Clintons wanted THEIR people in place at the DNC for a Hillary run - so, who would not buckle under to any of the Clinton crowd in the coverup wing of the Democratic party? Dean and Kerry - their two main targets to smear in the media throughout this entire time. How many 'insiders' smeared those two constantly and for WHAT? Alito filibuster? 50 state strategy? Iraq withdrawal plan? Downing Street Memos?

Clinton 2 has already pledged to coverup for Bush2 the same way Clinton1 covered up for Bush1.

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Cha

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:37 PM
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16. I wouldn't be surprised if

about the "coverup". But, I hate that shit.

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IndyOp

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:27 PM
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14. Harold Ford is an asshole who made a political ad from inside a church!

That is NOT about being 'sensitive to his region of the country' -- that is VIOLATING the principles on which this nation was founded.

Ford = Swann = Steele = Blackwell

:grr:

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librechik

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:45 PM
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17. Goodbye, Harold

you'd make a good anything else other than a Dem leader, so go do whatever that is.

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David Zephyr

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Fri Nov-10-06 08:52 PM
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18. madfloridian, thanks for posting this.

Thanks

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madfloridian

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Fri Nov-10-06 10:05 PM
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22. I felt I should. He judged Dean's morality and religious values.

I find that appalling.

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madfloridian

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Sat Nov-11-06 01:20 PM
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23. "it's going to be big and it's going to be soon"...re Ford's next move.

http://www.wkrn.com/nashville/news/ap-after-senate-defeat-whats-harold-ford-jrs-next-move/58965.htm

"While running for the U.S. Senate, Democrat Harold Ford Jr. became a national political celebrity and got on the cover of Newsweek magazine.

But he couldn't get into the U.S. Senate, losing to the lower-key Republican Bob Corker. Now people in Tennessee are wondering what's next for the charismatic, handsome and soon-to-be former congressman from Memphis.

Whatever it is, While running for the U.S. Senate, Democrat Harold Ford Jr. became a national political celebrity and got on the cover of Newsweek magazine. But he couldn't get into the U.S. Senate, losing to the lower-key Republican Bob Corker.

Now people in Tennessee are wondering what's next for the charismatic, handsome and soon-to-be former congressman from Memphis.

"Whatever it is, it's going to be big and it's going to be soon," Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Bob Tuke said.

Ford, trying to become the first Southern black elected to the Senate since the...

" Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Bob Tuke said."

Interesting.

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Pithy Cherub

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Sat Nov-11-06 05:24 PM
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26. Don't worry - Obama smoked Ford.

Which one is better known - Harold had delusions he's be the most popular. He's been cured. One has no job, the other is thinking about a presidential campaign...

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SouthernBelle82

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:38 PM
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36. I wonder what he has planned

Interesting information there. I wonder what he has planned. Does it say when they'll tell this information? And the thing I didn't like about the Newsweek article is they called him a moderate but he isn't. He's a pretty conservative democrat.

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madfloridian

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:40 PM
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37. I read a post today that CNN was offering him a show or spot.

Just wondering about that as well.

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montana500

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Sat Nov-11-06 05:19 PM
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25. Pretty weak comments by Ford.

Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 05:21 PM by montana500

I guess some people could say that Ford's born again views don't represent everyone either.

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leftofthedial

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Sat Nov-11-06 05:26 PM
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27. Ford is a loser

and now we know why

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Infinite Hope

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Sat Nov-11-06 05:29 PM
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28. I've never had much respect for Harold Ford. n/t

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madfloridian

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:20 PM
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29. The oddest statement Carville ever made...

He said you can't be right too often or people in DC don't like you.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_elizabet_051007_carville__dems_need_.htm

"A NU Carville focused on what Democrats need to do to reclaim the presidency. The vocal impressions of President George W. Bush and former presidential candidate John Kerry and Carville�s bouts of shouting in his southern accent had the audience alternatively giggling and freezing in silence. In addition to breaking away from a laundry list of special interests, Carville said, Democrats need to learn that a candidate who can�t campaign can�t succeed.

�If you�re not competent in campaigns, you don�t have a chance to be competent in government,� he said.

Using Al Gore as an example, Carville said being a smart candidate is not enough.

�It�s actually possible to be wise, right and strong,� he said.

But Carville added that no one in Washington likes anyone who is right too often. Howard Dean�s accurate assessment about the failure of the war in Iraq helped kick him out of the running for president despite his passion, Carville said."

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JI7

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:24 PM
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30. i wouldn't make too much of the Harold Ford comments

he is in a right wing state and trying to appeal to the morons he would need to win in the state. that's why i excused his criticism of Kerry a bit. unlike Hillary who is in a safe state and some others.

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SouthernBelle82

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:30 PM
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31. This is old

This is old. How do you know Ford hasn't changed his mind on the issue of Dean? I would like someone to ask him that.

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madfloridian

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Sat Nov-11-06 11:00 PM
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39. Someone should ask him.

Not that it matters. Imus has a huge audience, I think so it got plenty of attention.

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tinfoilinfor2005

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Sat Nov-11-06 10:37 PM
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35. Imus' favorite three candidates in this election were

Ford, Santorum and Kinky Friedman. Does Ford really want to be associated with this bunch rather than with Howard Dean? Makes me wonder about his choices.

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Vidar

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Sun Nov-12-06 07:35 AM
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43. Imus is a good place for Ford.

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