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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:48 AM
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Robert Gates and the bin Laden connection
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Not surprising considering PaPa Bush was watching the Tower attacks, on 9-11, with Osama's brother, Shafig bin Laden at the Ritz Carlton.

On 11 September, while Al-Qaeda's planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Carlyle Group hosted a conference at a Washington hotel. Among the guests of honour was a valued investor: Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html


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The CIA, ever mindful of the need to justify its “mission,” had conclusive evidence by the mid-1980s of the deepening crisis of infrastructure within the Soviet Union. The CIA, as its deputy director Robert Gates acknowledged under congressional questioning in 1992, had decided to keep that evidence from President Reagan and his top advisors and instead continued to grossly exaggerate Soviet military and technological capabilities in its annual “Soviet Military Power” report right up to 1990.

Given that context, a decision was made to provide America’s potential enemies with the arms, money - and most importantly - the knowledge of how to run a war of attrition violent and well-organized enough to humble a superpower.

That decision is coming home to roost.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340101/
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:59 AM
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1. The man who "made" OBL, in charge of the war on terra
Just like we had before the guy who made Saddam Husein....
Yeah, we're in good hands with the "pragmatists" as MSM keeps reasuring us...
Great find, thank you!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:14 PM
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6. That's the bottom line of it, isn't it Count (BTW love the Count
pic with that sig line) anyway, the man who made OBL is now in charge of the war on "terrah" just like the man who made SH was. Wow!
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:01 AM
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2. that's not how I remember it
"The CIA, as its deputy director Robert Gates acknowledged under congressional questioning in 1992, had decided to keep that evidence from President Reagan and his top advisors and instead continued to grossly exaggerate Soviet military and technological capabilities in its annual “Soviet Military Power” report right up to 1990."


the Reagan white house had set up a "Team B" intel group, composed of
some of the same neo-cons we know today, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, to come up with
alternative intel reports because the CIAs were not
scary enough about the Soviets.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/10/26/MNG62FDUGL1.DTL


In the 1970s, when President Richard Nixon's policy of detente was under attack by some former military officials and conservative policy intellectuals, Ford administration officials Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were among those challenging as too soft the CIA's estimate of Moscow's military power.



http://www.consortiumnews.com/2003/102203.html
The concept of a conservative counter-analysis, which became known as “Team B,” had been opposed by the previous CIA director, William Colby, as in inappropriate intrusion into the integrity of the CIA’s analytical product. But the new CIA director, a politically ambitious George H.W. Bush, was ready to acquiesce to the right-wing pressure.

“Although his top analysts argued against such an undertaking, Bush checked with the White House, obtained an O.K., and by May 26 <1976> signed off on the experiment with the notation, ‘Let her fly!!,” wrote Anne Hessing Cahn after reviewing “Team B” documents that were released more than a decade ago.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:31 AM
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3. "Team B." They mean a clandestine intelligence agency, right?
Scary stuff.

It also seems, on the face of it, to be a blantantly unconstitutional maneuver, and meets one set of minimal criteria for treasonous activity -- subversion of the legitimate federal government. And I greatly dislike screaming TRAITOR! over activity that is merely felonious.

"Scary stuff." -- ? I should have written "Outrageous stuff." We ought to set some of the paleo-cons (like Pat Buchanan) wise to this.

Subpoena time?

--p!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:36 AM
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4. I always knew that Reagan's "tear down these walls" moment was
orchestrated.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:26 AM
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5. Wait a gosh-darned minute!
You mean to tell me it isn't Clinton't fault?

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