If we put as much effort into changing this country as we do fighting Lieberman

LynneSin

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Mon Nov-13-06 08:57 AM
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If we put as much effort into changing this country as we do fighting Lieberman

Damn, think of the impact we could make.

Lieberman is who he is and being that we picked up SIX seats and not SEVEN we will have to work with him in hopes he caucus with our party.

I think it's time we stop harping on Lieberman and start fighting for the change we want to see

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hlthe2b

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:01 AM
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1. But, But, But, buuuuuuuttt...

Lieberman is just so damned annoying.... :evilgrin: Can't we just smack him around a little bit? :7

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LynneSin

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:02 AM
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2. I'd rather smack some republicans around - you know the ones with (R)....

...next to their names

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hlthe2b

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Mon Nov-13-06 11:07 AM
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18. well, yeah...

I think we've earned a little blow off steam time and I guess i'm sort of amazed that his hypocrisy (Lieberman's) is not more annoying to you as it is to so many of your fellow Duers.

Now, I agree that we are trapped for the time being and need to keep him in the fold, which will be the chess strategy of our Senate leadership.. And, I also agree that to pester him publically (like with lots of nasty calls and emails to his offices, would be extremely stupid for us to do...

But, I don't think complaining about him on DU is too problematic, nor commenting on any options to retainthe Senate while isolating him...

Hey, my life is one big multi-task. I can complain about Lieberman, work to foil the R's while supporting our D's, bring home the bacon, and cook it too! :7

Love ya LynneSin, but I don't see the problem...:shrug:

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LynneSin

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Mon Nov-13-06 11:27 AM
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19. Oh it's annoying, but what can I do

I want my Judiciary Committee and I'll fight like the dickens to make Lieberman obsolete in 2008 (by expanding our majority)

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hlthe2b

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Mon Nov-13-06 11:34 AM
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21. I'll buy that strategy...

(even though I may bitch & moan a bit in the meantime...:evilgrin:)

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mucifer

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:03 AM
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far as I can tell we are just typing our feelings about lieberman on our

puters. To change the direction of the country we volunteered were in the streets knocking on doors making calls talking to friends etc. and looky what happened last Tuesday!

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bigwillq

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:03 AM
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3. How do we work with this?

~snip~

WASHINGTON � Sen. Joe Lieberman on Sunday repeated his pledge to caucus with Senate Democrats when the 110th Congress convenes in January, but refused to slam the door on possibly moving to the Republican side of the aisle.

Asked on NBC�s "Meet the Press" if he might follow the example of Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont, who left the Republicans in 2001 and became an independent, ending Republican control of the U.S. Senate, Lieberman refused to discount the possibility.

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"I�m not ruling it out but I hope I don�t get to that point," he said. "And I must say � and with all respect to the Republicans who supported me in Connecticut � nobody ever said, �We�re doing this because we want you to switch over. We want you to do what you think is right and good for our state and country,� and I appreciate that."

A spokeswoman for Lieberman would not elaborate when contacted by The Associated Press.

http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17458109&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=590581&rfi=6

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LynneSin

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:07 AM
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5. What can we do about it

Seriously

:shrug:

We've given him his seniority and I believe Chair of the Homeland Security committee. If that's not enough to keep him in the party then so be it. We have bigger fish to fry ESPECIALLy in the house!

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MaineDem

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:17 AM
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9. I'd rather have him chairing Homeland Sec than Susie Collins

I agree with you completely.

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LynneSin

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:19 AM
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11. True, but for a republican Susan Collins ain't that bad

If the republican party was made up with folks like her and Olympia Snowe - we might actually have a Congress that works and puts this bi-partisan crap aside.

But even still, I'd rather have a democrat represent me. My representative is a moderate like Collins & Snowe and I'd still voted for the democrat (Mike Castle is my representative)

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Hav

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:38 AM
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14. .

I know that those 2 Senators are seen as moderates, but when it comes to the important votes, don't they almost always vote with their party? (torture bill where Snow said she would have voted for it)
I guess there must be something about them to win in a state like Maine, yet, while I have to admit that I don't know much about them, I'd rather take people like Chafee.

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pocoloco

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:03 AM
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4. DUH?

lieberman is part of that change!!

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Deep13

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:08 AM
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6. Sounds like he's leaving a foot in the door so the Senate Ds...

...do not marginalize him.

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Demit

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:13 AM
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7. LynneSin, I truly don't see how our discussions here impact what the Senate

does. Discussions that, indeed, center around what you say�"in HOPES he caucuses with OUR party."

I think we all understand that the people on the scene, the Senators, are well-schooled in the kind of chess maneuvers that will be employed in this situation. They don't need to rely on reading DU for hints on what to do. So, with all due respect, if you don't like the "harping" on this turncoat/potential blackmailer, you don't have to read the threads.

As has been pointed out before, it's not a zero-sum thing. We can express our misgivings about Lieberman and still fight for change.

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LynneSin

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:15 AM
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8. I'm not talking about them reading our threads

Geez, I hope we're doing more than just posting here on DU, pretty sad if that's all we do :crazy:

You can call Lieberman any name you want but we need to work with him or we lose our committees. And damnit, I want that Judiciary Commitee - we need it!

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Demit

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Mon Nov-13-06 10:28 AM
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16. My point is that SENATORS need to work with him. We are observers in the

process. Rank-and-file Democrats have no "need" to work with Lieberman. Rank-and-file Democrats don't have any votes in the winning or losing of committees.

I worked my ass off in the election. Now it's up to the people I voted for, campaigned for, and gave money to. My job there is done, now it's up to the Senators I worked for to do theirs, and what I think about Lieberman, and whether or not I express it, will have no effect on that.

Unless you are referring to some kind of metaphysical energy, derived from DU's opinions, that will waft over Congress and mysteriously affect how the Dems in the Senate deal with Lieberman, I still fail to understand why you are calling on us to stop talking about him.

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jonnyblitz

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:19 AM
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10. how DARE we express our feelings on an internet

Edited on Mon Nov-13-06 09:21 AM by jonnyblitz

discussion board . you would think we were all congress people who have a vote on here with all the delusional lofty importance you seem to put on what are just discussions on the internets!!! :crazy:

this "shut up, fall in line and obey" carping from you is getting damn tiresome.

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LynneSin

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:22 AM
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12. Oh sweetie - I adore you

I don't care what anyone posts about. It just seems we put alot of effort trashing Lieberman and I wish we'd focus that energy elsewhere.

But I think it's great that Connecticut picked up two additional democratic representatives. I think that's thanks to Ned Lamont and his push to get the democratic vote out last Tuesday

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Totally Committed

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:27 AM
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13. I submit, respectfully, that getting rid of Joe was PART of changing this country

Edited on Mon Nov-13-06 09:28 AM by Totally Committed

at least to me), and one I sincerely hoped we would succeed in doing. Furthermore, I believe he IS an effing Republican, in every way that matters. If he is considered to be a "Democrat" by those here, I rebut in saying he is disloyal, mean-spirited, disrepectful, disingenuous, war-mongering, and odious. I don't necessarily need or want to be in the same Party with him even a second longer than I have to. To see him being handed committee chairmanships and cow-towed to by this Party's leadership after they abandoned Lamont, and after Joe refused to say whether or not he'll eventually become a Republican is DISGUSTING to me.

So, sue me if I seem a bit intransigent in my views over Liberman, but I really feel he's out to give us and out Party a ROYAL SCREW-GEE, and we've only begun to see what he's capable of in that respect.

TC

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sampsonblk

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Mon Nov-13-06 11:49 AM
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23. Yep, what you said - nt

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welshTerrier2

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Mon Nov-13-06 09:44 AM
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15. OK ... fine with me ... what "change do you want to see"???

here's my top two: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2951935

what are yours?

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kentuck

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Mon Nov-13-06 10:32 AM
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17. "...we will have to work with him in hopes he caucus with our party. "

and cross our fingers.. :)

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madfloridian

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Mon Nov-13-06 11:30 AM
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20. Lieberman was elected by Republicans.

We should not forget that. He got money from the Dem hawks and Republicans. They got us into this war, and they don't want us out.

Joe is their spokesperson, they could not let him lose.

The day he said we question the credibility of the president at our nation's peril...he lost respect.

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onenote

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Mon Nov-13-06 11:45 AM
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22. or you could argue that he was elected by Democrats or by independents

he got 33 percent of the Democratic vote in the election. Cut that in half, and Lamont wins.

Or you could argue that he was elected by indepdents, the second largest voting bloc in the state, a majority of whom voted for him.

Yes he needed the repub vote to win, but he also needed independents and Democrats.

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madfloridian

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Mon Nov-13-06 11:50 AM
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24. It is amazing how many people here really supported him.

He was NOT the Democrat in the race.

There must be a whole of pro-war indys in CT.

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onenote

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Mon Nov-13-06 02:52 PM
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27. just to be clear, I supported Lamont

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madfloridian

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Mon Nov-13-06 12:33 PM
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25. This gets to the heart of the problem.

Edited on Mon Nov-13-06 01:04 PM by madfloridian

Since you bring up the subject. This DLC blogger who is linked from their front page really made fun of all of us the day after the election. He thumbed his nose at Kos, at us, at anyone who supported Lamont. He was so cute...he called it KOSenfreude* and he linked to this page.

http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2000/05/10.html
schadenfreude \SHOD-n-froy-duh\, noun:
A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.

There is some pretty nasty stuff at that page...you need to read it

Here is the post.

http://bullmooseblogger.blogspot.com/2006/11/kosenfreude.html

KOSenfreude*

The Moose gloats and kvells.

There is great joy in Mooseland. The nutroots have struck out. Joe Lieberman has prevailed. The vital center is victorious!

Read and weep, dear nutroots

Don't believe the pathetic nutroots spin. In August, they engaged in premature triumphalism believing that they vanquished the vital center. One even indicated that he had ominous plans to obliterate the organization that Joe once led. No, they did not need the dreaded establishment. All they needed were their trusted keyboards and their internet access.

Bloviating bloggers had rushed to the Nutmeg State to hop aboard the Lamont bus with laptops in hand. Indeed, the candidate was their creation. He was their central project. And this "people power" populist plutocrat poured millions of his own fortune into the race. While the nutroots are fervent, they are also cheap.

As the Moose used to say in Texas, the nutroots were all hat and no cattle. Alas, the internet emperors wear no clothes! MSM take note. Kos and Sirota are out. Gerstein and Sun are in.

I think that anyone who is a leader in the DLC...think Hillary and Carper, Bayh also?...need to think about who they are linking to from their website's front page. I take this very seriously. Very.

They better make it clear he is not their guy, or I will make it clear I do not support a DLC candidate in 08. He is linked from their front page.

www.dlc.org

And he then sends a warning to the Democrats who supported Ned...

A powerful message has been sent to the '08 wannabees who sent Negative Ned their money and support - you can pander to the nutroots to win primaries, but you must reach out to the vital center to win a general election (even in a deep blue state). More persuasion and less comment threads, please.

The Moose deeply enjoys Kosenfreude*. And yes, Virginia, there is Joementum!

I was on board in 04, gladly. I have been on board in 06, gladly. I make no bones that 08 is a horse of a different color. As long as this guy is boasting at the DLC....I will mark those candidates off my list.

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LoZoccolo

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Mon Nov-13-06 12:54 PM
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26. If going around scrutinizing who links to who...

...and trying to get them to remove the links is considered "activism" by the "netroots" (as well as publicly threatening not to vote for people in message boards), the whole movement might be a slight net loss.

I was on board in 04, gladly. I have been on board in 06, gladly. I make no bones that 08 is a horse of a different color. As long as this guy is boasting at the DLC....I will mark those candidates off my list.

This from the person who would make a sole basis of an argument against Lieberman that he circumvented the primary.

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laugle

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Mon Nov-13-06 04:31 PM
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28. Amen to that!! And while were at it stop bashing

democrats period!!!!

So much work to do and sooooo little time!!

We finally have some power--let's kick ass and start to clean-up some of this mess......

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