A constitutional abolition of the draft will stop wars too

CTLawGuy

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:40 PM
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A constitutional abolition of the draft will stop wars too

becuase people will just not sign up for the Army during an unpopular war and the government will run out of troops to fight the wars with.

Can't fight a war without troops.

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Mythsaje

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:42 PM
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1. I think that was part of the thinking behind the abolition of the draft

in the first place.

Apparently reality has since done a 180 and people now think that a return to the draft will do it THIS time, since the other option certainly didn't work.

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CTLawGuy

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:43 PM
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2. they don't realize

the draft was with us from the BEGINNING of the Vietnam war. It only took 8 years for the draft to end the war.

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xchrom

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:45 PM
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3. didn't stop this one -- and the protests before this war

Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 07:45 PM by xchrom

were fairly unprecedented in this country -- and when you take into account the international opposition -- it was roundly opposed from many directions.

now that being said this is about a collective sacrifise -- one that goes up and down the economic ladder.

beyond that, any draft in this day and age will come with outs for people who want to do service in the peace corps or other domestic programs.

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CTLawGuy

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:51 PM
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4. I am against compulsory national service in any way shape or form

we don't elect a government in order to enslave people even temprorarily.

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xchrom

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:53 PM
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6. we will have to disagree -- being a socialist there are some things i believe

that citizens have to invest in.

and some sort of two year collective service is one of them.

it's the country of the citizens and the citizens must put some time and effort into it.

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CTLawGuy

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:59 PM
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8. would you be subject to that?

I am a progressive libertarian and I believe the state exists to serve us and not the other way around.

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xchrom

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Mon Nov-20-06 08:20 PM
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9. yes, i gathered you were a libertarian.

the ''state'' is not different from the citizens -- it isn't an alien entity.

all societies should have some small exercises in collective effort on behalf of the country.

i don't advocate for it up and down society -- applied in some measure here and there -- and at eighteen is a good time to pay some service to the country. whether in the military, peace corps or other.

people then have a greater investment in the outcome of their country.

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CTLawGuy

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Mon Nov-20-06 08:37 PM
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10. this is an interesting philosophical discussion

I concieve the state not as being the citizens themselves but like a corporation owned by the ctizens, where the right to vote is how one exercises ownership power.

The government provides services to the citizens and because of that it may collect taxes from them. But it may not force citizens to engage in service for it.

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personman

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Mon Nov-20-06 09:05 PM
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11. I see the state as the institutions of power.

The government and corporations that influence it. It's true the elections give the people a chance to influence the state, but within a narrow ideological spectrum acceptable to the true owners of this country. In the words of Emma Goldman "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal.", I think that might be a mild exaggeration, but only a mild one.

My libertarian-socialist perspective.

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No Exit

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Tue Nov-21-06 12:04 AM
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12. Was there a constitutional abolition of the draft before this war was begun?

I'm not aware that there was.

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JeffR

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:53 PM
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5. There should not be a draft, but there's no need to tinker with

the Constitution about it. Selective Service is essentially dormant right now, and as you point out, enlistment is down due to this obscenity in Iraq.

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dogman

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Mon Nov-20-06 07:54 PM
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7. When has the Constitution stopped bushco?

It's not stopped them yet.

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No Exit

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Tue Nov-21-06 12:05 AM
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13. I think you have a GREAT idea there for a constitutional amendment!

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