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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:55 PM
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Dean Nails It In Wisconsin.
Dean's Speech in Madison this morning:

Wisconsin, let me get right to the point: Over the next eight days, the power to make this country great again is in your hands.

The media claims this contest is over. They say your voice and your vote don't count. They expect you to rubber stamp the choice of others.

But you don't have to listen to them.

Wisconsin: You have the power to keep this debate alive.

You have the power to choose the strongest candidate to beat George W. Bush.

You have a real choice -- let's hear your voice, for real change in America.

Wisconsin, the home of Robert LaFollette, William Proxmire, and Russ Feingold, knows America needs real progressive change. LaFollette changed this state and the whole nation. He and his allies brought tax reform and industrial reform. He stood for electoral reform, so citizens, and not the party bosses, could choose presidential candidates. He said we needed to fight for the people and against what he called "the selfish interests."

But LaFollette's whole legacy is at stake right now. And Wisconsin knows LaFollette's legacy is worth fighting for.

Wisconsin knows that what is on the line in this primary is the very heart and soul of the Democratic Party - and the very heart and soul of this country.

Wisconsin knows that today working families struggle to make ends meet in the Bush economy. Wisconsin knows we need a president who will truly fight for ordinary Americans.

Why don't we have real health care, or a tax system that's fair for our families? The answer is clear: Special interests in Washington stop real change every time. The process is broken. To change America, we must change Washington.

Make no mistake, in 2005, there will be change in Washington. But what kind of change? If we don't stand up strong to George W. Bush, America will certainly change -- and not for the better.

If we don't choose real change, if we don't stand up strong to George W. Bush, no matter who is President, radical Republicans in Washington will accelerate their agenda. A shift of wealth away from the middle class to the rich and corporations. Crushing national debt. Policies that divide us by race and gender and sexual orientation. A dangerous foreign policy that isolates and weakens America. Losing jobs, losing health care, losing ground.

And if we don't choose real change, if we don't stand up strong to George W. Bush, no matter who is President, special interests will tighten their stranglehold on America, so the powerful control the outcomes and the people have no say.

Only if we send to Washington an outsider, a leader with a real record of results, can we strengthen American values and bring real, positive change. Only then can we restore hope and integrity, strengthen our economy and sense of community at home, and rebuild our strength and moral leadership in the world.

The way to beat George W. Bush is with a candidate who already has stood up to him - when it mattered, on issues that matter -- like health care, investing in our children, the national debt, and the Iraq war. Democrats who watched the popularity polls and cut bad deals with the White House are not the right people to stand up to George Bush this fall.

The way to beat George W. Bush is with a candidate who has truly delivered results, not just rhetoric, for working Americans.

The way to beat George W. Bush, whose White House is wholly owned by special interests, is with a candidate from outside Washington, who is independent and brings new people into the process. We won't represent real change this fall with a Washington fixture who plays the insider game.

More:

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/003625.html

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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 04:58 PM
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1. I love the man! (nt)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:00 PM
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2. Will Dean now be appearing with backdrop reading "Reformer with Results?"
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 05:07 PM by flpoljunkie
Sorry, too good to pass up.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:51 PM
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20. The difference of course being
that Dean actually is a reformer with results
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:00 PM
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3. America does need real progressive change
Which is why I oppose Dean. He isn't all that much left of Lieberman.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:02 PM
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5. and the "true progressive" Kucinich is doing oh so well
:boring:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:10 PM
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7. But at least he IS a progressive
Dean is a faux-populist pseudo-progressive. Again, as I said earlier many times in many threads, when the subject of the thread is Dean, and I tell the truth about him, all I get is a slam against DK in the retort.

Why can't Dean supporters rebut my charges against Dean, without bringing DK up?

My bet is because they know deep down, I am right about Dean. ;-)
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pezcore64 Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:18 PM
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10. well
im a dean supporter who sees him as a moderate. i never understood all the liberal labels. Yeah, hes made some liberal choices on some policies, but generally speaking, hes a moderate. thats why he could destroy bush in my humble opinion.


by the way, i love DK ;)
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:57 PM
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15. what you anti dean guys dont get is
that yes, his policy views may be pretty centrist when compared to others such as Kucinich, whom I respect enormously. But Dean's bottom line focus is really on getting to the heart of the matter - cleaning up the fact that the democratic process in itself has become corrupted, which has lead to many bad policies and back room deals being routinely adopted in washington, thus placing the foundations of democracy at risk. Clean up corruption and unfair policies will give way to fair policies that take the many into consideration instead of the few. Back room deals are why some of the far left activist policies are just as poorly thought out as the far right policies.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:14 PM
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27. So how is DK Doing?
thought so...
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:03 PM
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6. You beat me to it, ZW
Dean's rhetoric is very activist...but his declared policies are anything but.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:23 PM
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:21 PM
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21. And your opposition to Dean has netted you a safe, rich,
patrician, oh-so-establishment politician's politician as the Democratic nominee.

Good show!
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:40 PM
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30. But the one didn't cause the other, so please stop trying with the guilt
It's totally misplaced. Both Dean and the current Kerry are 'safe, rich, patrician, oh-so-establishment' members of the ruling elite. Dean's we-must-have-change rhetoric is completely contradicted by the written policies on his own website: he stands for the status quo!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:53 PM
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39. Not in my book he doesn't. One of the things I love about Dean
is that he is first and foremost a pragmatist -- by which I mean someone who has a vision (and a fairly progressive one, IMO, esp. re domestic and social issues), AND he knows what can and can't get done.

Department of Peace? Uh, probably not in our lifetimes.

Bring 'em all home right NOW? Uh, probably irresponsible.

Singler payer healthcare? Wanna wait another 60 years for health coverage for all?

I'll take Dean's pragmatic and entirely DOABLE policies ANY day over pie-in-the-sky idealistic hopes and dreams that don't stand a chance of passing. Or promises from candidates who'll say anything and promise everything to get elected, knowing they will have built-in excuses for not delivering. "Well, we tried." Yeah, right.

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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:53 PM
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51. Eloriel, is it possible that there are two completely different websites?
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 07:53 PM by Mairead
Because when I look at Dean's stated policies, I don't see any real vision at all and certanly not a progressive one. Honestly. Why would I lie? What's in it for me to only have one chance at a good tomorrow? What's the downside to having every possible outcome be a good one?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:01 PM
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4. Love the line
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 05:02 PM by mmonk
"Democrats who watched the popularity polls and cut bad deals with the White House are not the right people to stand up to George Bush this fall".
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:12 PM
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8. I
am Howard Dean's special Interest!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:33 PM
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11. Utility exacutives beat you to it, though.
Dean has taken alot of money from execs he gave sweetheart deal when he arranged the selling of Vermont Yankee to Bush loyalist Koch brothers.

He SEALED those papers though so his supporters now won't be able to learn the truth about his pro-corporate buttkissing.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:35 PM
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12. and Kerry is great for taking 100K in speaking fees from tobacco and beer
industries?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:44 PM
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32. $1000 and $2000 same as any individual donor and over 19 YEARS.
Wow.

Now, about those utility execs and BFEE loyalists who played footsie with Dean while he pushed for deregulation of energy while governor.......
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:56 PM
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40. Bundled, blm, bundled. You always forget about that part.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:45 PM
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24. If they are sealed
How did you come across this "sealed information"?
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:43 PM
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31. look
don't even F*#(*&$ing talk about taking money from corporations. I can't believe the hypocrisy. You support a man who is the #1 Senator for taking money from special interests.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:45 PM
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33. furthermore
whenever there is a positive Dean thread, you come and piss on it. WHY CAN'T YOU JUST LET US BE POSITIVE ABOUT DEAN??? JUST FOR 5 DAMN MINUTES, LET US TALK ABOUT DEAN IN A POSITIVE LIGHT! That long, that's all I ask.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:16 PM
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9. Didn't Dean stand next to Gore when he said everyone must get behind Dean
and do so BEFORE the first vote was cast?

Dean's campign rhetoric doesn't match his record yet he complains about rhetoric???????


Hmmmm....more hypocrisy from Dean. No surprise, here.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:43 PM
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13. Source? Context?
C'mon, you can't say something like that without providing a link.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 05:45 PM
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14. Actually this is such a well-known and undisputed fact
that it is not necessary to provide a link. That is only for things that are 'not generally accepted to be true'.

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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:48 PM
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35. dude
I get that you don't like Dean. Point taken. But we're trying to be positive here.
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Professor Hoodoo Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:56 PM
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52. Just because you take the context into hand
doesn't mean everyone should take it as gospel.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:00 PM
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16. Dean does it again.... a change for America.... c'mon Wisconsin
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:16 PM
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17. When I hear this man speak...
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 06:17 PM by nomaco-10
it makes me swell with pride again to be a democrat. It's not about the man as much as it's about the message, it's substance over fluff, it's message over money, it's addressing the issues and not talking in rhetoric and cliches, it's about truth and integrity not double speak and sucking up to special interests. Howard Dean is what this country desperately needs. I am prouder than ever to say I support Howard Dean.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 06:25 PM
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19. A great speech from a great American - Thanks Dr. Dean ! -nt-
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:25 PM
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22. Right ON! -- Great speech.
Pay attention, Wisconsin. It's time to take our country back.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:31 PM
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23. And, I heard he's going to hang in even if Wisconsin isn't a total win!
I applaud him for this.....

We Dean/Kucinich's won't go gentle into the dark night! Fight on!
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:52 PM
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25. read my lips
Make no mistake, in 2005, there will be change in Washington.

When did this Bush expression attract Democratic speechwriters? It's a code phrase that basically means "I'm not a wimp" as coined by George HW.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 10:54 PM
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26. This is his best speech ever.
"Instead of coming clean, the President has swept the problem under the political rug. He's appointed a commission. But he's delaying its report until after the 2004 election."

"The Bush Administration has lost all credibility on this issue, and Americans have a right to be outraged. Washington Democrats now say they're outraged, but where were they when it really mattered? "

snip

"I want an America where we are more than cogs in a machine, where there is nourishment for our human souls. Where there is true community, and we recognize and affirm that we are all in this together."
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:36 PM
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28. What a great message
from a real messenger. Hurry though, please Dean remove the speech before it is co-opted/shall I say stolen by ?
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:53 PM
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38. Kerry.
Just finishing your sentence. :-) Yes, Kerry has tried to steal credit for the hard work that Dean has done to activate the masses. I still have hope that people will listen to Dean speaking in Wisconsin and see the light before it's too late.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:24 AM
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29. Yes, it is. And it even gets better as it goes on ...
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/003625.html

Dean continues:

Wisconsin, over the next eight days I want to talk with you, and listen to you, about the issues that affect your lives every day and affect our nation's future.

Let's start with something that matters to all of us. Two generations ago, Harry Truman told it straight: We need health care for every man, woman, and child in America. We still don't have it. President Bush's idea of health care is to take care of corporations in the health industry. And Washington Democrats have gone along.

I know about health care, because my wife Judy and I delivered it, one patient at a time, as family doctors. Judy still does. And I delivered as Governor of Vermont. 99 percent of children, 92 percent of adults in Vermont have health care. We expanded prescription coverage for seniors. I can stand up to George Bush and say, I delivered results. Why haven't you?

George Bush offered an education program called No Child Left Behind -- but it's a program that leaves every child behind, every teacher behind, every school board behind and every property tax payer behind. Washington Democrats went along. I spoke out and said American children deserve better.

I know about children and education, because I've delivered as Governor. We lowered child abuse rates and raised graduation rates. Teen pregnancy went way down; childhood immunization way up. If you make me president, we will invest in our children with affordable child care and better schools and a higher education plan that makes the dream of college a reality.

Mine is a record of getting things done, not just talking about getting things done. And we can do it for all Americans if we stand together.

George W. Bush wanted enormous tax giveaways for the richest people and corporations, creating enormous deficits that mortgage our children's future. The Washington Democrats went along. I said America can't afford them -- and that ordinary Americans will end up paying more -- with higher tuitions, higher property taxes, fewer services.

As Governor, I balanced eleven budgets in a row, because I know that getting our fiscal house in order is needed for a strong economy.

America needs tax fairness for the middle class, but first we must roll back George Bush's dangerous policy of borrow and spend.
Wisconsin knows the toll of the Bush economy. Manufacturing provides nearly 19% of all Wisconsin jobs, but you're losing jobs here, not gaining - 75,000 manufacturing jobs lost in the past three years, out of 3 million lost jobs nationwide. The unemployment rate in Wisconsin is 28% higher than the day George Bush took office. Our laid off workers need retraining more than ever, and yet George Bush has proposed more than $1.5 billion dollars in cuts to job training.

In Vermont, we cut unemployment in half. As President, I'll start a fund to create at least a million jobs rebuilding America in the first two years. We'll train workers for the new economy, raise the minimum wage to $7, and give people fair overtime pay and unemployment benefits. We'll invest in small businesses, which create 70 percent of our jobs and don't send them out of their communities. And we'll have a tough policy on trade, to keep jobs here and protect labor and environmental standards.

Protecting America's security is our most important task. And yet it's another area where Washington is broken, and we need to fix it.
George Bush embarked on a unilateral, preemptive, wrongheaded war in Iraq. He misled us about the facts. Washington Democrats looked at the polls and went along. Without asking the hard questions, they gave George W. Bush a blank check. I stood up and said it was the wrong war at the wrong time.

Now America is paying dearly for Washington's failure of leadership and judgment on Iraq. More than 500 brave Americans killed. Thousands injured. More than $160 billion already committed. Our alliances torn. No exit strategy in sight.

And while George Bush and Dick Cheney continue to cling to the claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, too many others in the Administration now admit the evidence was not there and is not there. There's also no evidence, as they claimed, of ties between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

Instead of coming clean, the President has swept the problem under the political rug. He's appointed a commission. But he's delaying its report until after the 2004 election.

The Bush Administration has lost all credibility on this issue, and Americans have a right to be outraged. Washington Democrats now say they're outraged, but where were they when it really mattered?

The next President will face tough choices and challenges in Iraq, in the Middle East, in the world. The stakes are high. We need a president who leads, who sees the importance not only of strengthening our military but also of rebuilding our alliances. We need an Administration that focuses on the real threats -- terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. That is how we can make America stronger.

We need to stand up for what's right for working Americans.

In 2005, when the Radical Republicans demand more tax give-aways for the special interests, and more phony health care schemes that only help HMOs and drug companies, who will stand up for you? Who will stand up for fairness and common sense?

When they push efforts to slice away further at the Bill of Rights, threatening a woman's right to choose, rolling back civil rights, and giving government greater power to search our homes, read our mail, monitor our Internet use, who will stand up for you and for American values?

Our campaign provides a way to change Washington for the better. We are fueled by the small donations of hundreds of thousands of people across this country -- not the maximum contributions of corporate insiders. If you elect me President, I won't be beholden to the special interests. I won't owe anything to anyone but you.

And, as President, I'll extend these principles. I'll bring greater reform to campaign financing, including a cap on campaign donations of $250 per person. So we limit the influence of big money on politics, and the candidate with the record and best ideas can win against the candidate who has made the most promises to the rich and powerful.

I'll take on the big-money lobbying at the heart of the corrupt Washington game -- the means by which the special interests buy access and policy. The reason that Congress writes an energy bill for oil companies and a Medicare drug benefit for pharmaceutical makers. Average Americans have no idea that this is happening because the lobbying disclosure system in this country is a joke.

We need to pull back the curtain and let the American people know what is happening in Washington's corridors of power. We need strong reforms:

Disclosure should be more frequent. Under current law lobbyists register every six months. I think they should register on-line in real time, and there should be a lobbying database on the Internet so ordinary citizens can keep an eye on their democracy.

Disclosure should be more specific. Right now, lobbyists only have to report which chamber of Congress or government agency they lobbied. I think lobbyists should be required to report who they met with, when they met, and what issue they discussed.

Disclosure should be more comprehensive. Lobbyists should report how much they spend on advertisements, national organizing, and of course fundraising activities. Registered lobbyists should not make political contributions at all, but beyond that they should be required to report when they facilitate contributions from others.

We will change the way Washington works. We will take our country back.

Let me tell you about the America I want back. I want an America where mothers can take their children to a family doctor, instead of going to the emergency room every time because there's no health insurance.

I want an America where hard-working Americans don't live in fear of losing their jobs because that means losing their health care too.

Where corporations care as much about the communities that make their products and buy their goods as they do about their profit sheets.

Where CEO's don't make 531 times what workers earn, even as they ship their headquarters to Bermuda and their jobs to China.

I want an America where men and women have the chance to go to college, get good jobs, maybe even start their own businesses -- regardless of their background. Where the kitchen table is a place to share dreams -- not to worry and struggle over paying the credit card bills, the mortgage, the tuition payments.

I want an America where no child left behind is something we pay for and guarantee, not an empty promise sold by Washington politicians to the rest of us. I want a fair America that doesn't let soldiers risk their lives for us and then get told they can't get overtime pay for jobs that use the skills they learned in the military.

I want an America where we are more than cogs in a machine, where there is nourishment for our human souls. Where there is true community, and we recognize and affirm that we are all in this together.

That's the type of America I want us to take back.

So Wisconsin: 8 days to go. You have the power to keep this debate alive.

You have the power to choose the strongest candidate to represent the Democratic Party.

You have the power to make America work again for working Americans.

You have a real choice -- for real change and a better America.

On February 17, you can vote for that better America. I ask for your support.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:50 PM
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36. that is great
beautiful, positive vision, for the way america should be.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:56 PM
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49. I think his Restoration speech is better. But this one's close. n/t
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:47 PM
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34. Wonderful speech! Wishing for a Dean/Clark combo ticket... n/t
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:53 PM
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37. I'm wishing for it too
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 03:01 PM by Mass_Liberal
I just wish Dean hadn't called Clark a repub. Then we could actually forge an alliance. Iffen ya know what I mean (Dean/Clark)
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:58 PM
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41. Yup
Not sure if the "republican" thing is that much of an issue... I'm quite positive that the idea of a combo is fairly widespread among both camps, and that the idea is also being considered at top level.

But at the same time, I also believe that both Howard Dean and Wes Clark are very much committed to acting in the best interest of this country; if and when they decide an alliance serves that purpose, you bet it's a deal. Until then, I think they very much take into account the weight (and charge) of the argument that "splitting off the annointed one" (i.e., JFK) would hurt the chances of ousting Bush.

I respect and like both very much; I'd fully understand they don't want to confound a "desirable" thing with "necessity."

Just my .02...
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:02 PM
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42. that would be great
I'm just hoping that Clark wouldn't feel slighted and not go in w/ Dean.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:03 PM
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43. What I meant to say
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 03:07 PM by NV1962
is that I would gladly accept their recommendation to go ABB - I won't swallow it coming from Kerry's camp; au contraire - hell no I won't.

Like whipped cream: the harder you beat, the more it solidifies!

Edited to add: no, Clark is very much aware of electorally necessary "positioning" and moreover, he can take digs in the stride wearing a grin; there's an earlier example of that given today by Wes Jr in this WaPo chat transcript: http://tinyurl.com/34xuf

Wesley Clark Jr.: He is exactly like the man you met. He has always been an easygoing guy who is quick to laugh. I remember when he was cornel and written in graffiti in one of the bathroom stalls it said "Colonel Clark in civies ain't s*&#." He laughed about that at home and said the guy was absolutely right. That is the kind of guy dad is.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:04 PM
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44. And we shall call it:
The Wes-Howardic alliance! What say you?
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:09 PM
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45. I say it's a plan to follow! ;-)
(Sorry that I added stuff afterwards in my earlier post BTW, didn't want to clutter up this thread too much)

Heck yeah: Team Outkast! :D
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MoonAndSun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:34 PM
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46. Another great speech from Dean,
I respect him more each time he is knocked down and he gets back up again. I hope he goes all the way to the convention, and Clark and DK, too. I want the supporters of these 3 men to be a huge factor in the convention.
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littlejoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:46 PM
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47. One of the wonderful things about our country, is that we
still have the right to keep on deluding ourselves. When does it become more than just a noble experiment? When does it become nothing more than an ego exercise? It's time to hop on board the Kerry train. There's still room.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:54 PM
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48. scrod that
we ain't done yet, not by a long shot. There isn't a Kerry train till' after the convention. You showed up too early, my friend.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:48 PM
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50. Dated Dean. Married Kerry.
... woke up with Bush.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:58 PM
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53. Well, the train can leave the station....
without me cause I'm not getting on board. I think there's a new one coming in 2008. I'll wait.
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Professor Hoodoo Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 07:58 PM
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54. Not me friend...
I see a huge boulder blocking the Kerry train -- I'd rather take the People-Powered Bus to Boston!
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