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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:46 PM
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Obama Shrugs Off "Rock Star" Label...Heads To NH
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 10:48 PM by Bullet1987
http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Obama+heads+to+NH&articleId=09d9da71-0d44-4a9c-970d-306ec03d09a1">Obama Heads To New Hampshire

By JOHN DISTASO
Senior Political Reporter

Illinois Sen. Barack Obama said yesterday that if he runs for President, he will ignore a new Democratic National Committee rule by campaigning in New Hampshire even if its first-in-the-nation primary is scheduled earlier than the party establishment's designated date.

But Obama, who debuts in New Hampshire tomorrow for two sold-out appearances, also said in an interview it was a "great idea'' by the DNC to schedule a caucus in Nevada and a primary in South Carolina -- states with more racial diversity than New Hampshire -- into early slots "where they can have an impact'' on the nomination process.

Gov. John Lynch and state party leaders strongly opposed the DNC's recent move to schedule a Nevada caucus three days ahead of New Hampshire's primary, which the party set for Jan. 22, 2008, and five days after Iowa's traditional leadoff caucus. It also moved South Carolina's primary to Jan. 29, 2008.

Obama said the national party still preserved "the essential role that Iowa and New Hampshire have always played'' in the nominating process. He said that as a political product of grassroots organizing, "I'm a strong believer in the tradition of New Hampshire being the first primary.''

He added, "If I decide to run, I expect I'll be campaigning actively in New Hampshire.'' He said he will make his decision "early in the new year.''
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To read the rest...click the above link. Listen, I'm more and more sure now that Obama is running. He's now saying that he won't make a decision until after Jan. 1. Is it any more obvious that the guy is stalling and has probably already made up his mind?

In other Obama news...the http://runobama.com">RunObama.com website is very informative for up-to-date information. Also...http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061209/NEWS01/212090347">Obama Sells Out All Venues For NH Trip...the New Hampshire Democratic Chairwoman said for the ten years she's been doing this, she's never seen ANYONE attract as much attention as Obama.

It's hard not to admit unless this guy crashes and burns WHEN he runs (because I'm convinced he will)...he's going to be very hard to knock off.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:54 PM
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1. Shrug off the anti-war label too. No troops returned soon.
Sen. Obama calls for "a phased redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq on a timetable that would begin in four to six months. Such a timetable may not need to begin in 2007, but begin it must."

NOT EVEN TO Begin in the next 12 months???

Might as well be hillary.

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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:58 PM
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2. It's just pathetic as hell that the only things most Dems have to offer is that
sometime, maybe in the next few years, US troops will come home from Iraq. Unless they should stay longer. Maybe. Unless it looks like the US is losing. Depends. Can't say for sure.

really shows lots of backbone.
Not.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:01 PM
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4. Obama Believes...
Sen. Obama calls for "a phased redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq on a timetable that would begin in four to six months. Such a timetable may not need to begin in 2007, but begin it must."

NOT EVEN TO Begin in the next 12 months???

Might as well be hillary.


Obama believed months ago that we needed a phased withdrawal beginning in 4-6 months. He still believes it, but realizes that Bush isn't going to go along with it until his term is over.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:17 PM
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5. Please excuse. Sorry.
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 11:19 PM by jefferson_dem
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:20 PM
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6. BULLSHIT.
Hillary supported this Iraq debacle, voting for the IWR. Obama adamantly and aggressively opposed it.

Lord knows where Hillary stands on troop withdrawal / redeployment? Here's what Obama says -

There should be a "phased redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq on a timetable that would begin in four to six months."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061120/pl_nm/iraq_usa_obama_dc

"Only through this phased redeployment can we send a clear message to the Iraqi factions that the U.S. is not going to hold together this country indefinitely -- that it will be up to them to form a viable government that can effectively run and secure Iraq," Obama said.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/20/obama.iraq/index.html
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:46 PM
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7. Why not begin in the next 4-6 weeks?
Hell, it should begin in the Next 4-6 hours!

What does he want to wait for?

Every day it gets worse. Every day many more Iraqis are killed by US troops, and US troops are wounded or killed.

What is this "phased redeployment" shit? How long will that take? 2 years? 5 years? If obama is elected, will his successor finally withdrawal the last of the troops? Can he tell us?

Why does he think the US has any business in Iraq. The US destroyed it. The Iraqis are fully capable of fixing it. They are doing a super job of resisting the most sophisticated and brutal military on earth.

We should pay reparations, yes. There should be war crime tribunals, yes. We should honor those soldiers who refused to fight, and help heal those that did go to Iraq. Yes.

But the first order of business is the US military out of Iraq. Now.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:52 PM
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9. He also says...
Hell, it should begin in the Next 4-6 hours!

What does he want to wait for?

Every day it gets worse. Every day many more Iraqis are killed by US troops, and US troops are wounded or killed.

What is this "phased redeployment" shit? How long will that take? 2 years? 5 years? If obama is elected, will his successor finally withdrawal the last of the troops? Can he tell us?

Why does he think the US has any business in Iraq. The US destroyed it. The Iraqis are fully capable of fixing it. They are doing a super job of resisting the most sophisticated and brutal military on earth.

We should pay reparations, yes. There should be war crime tribunals, yes. We should honor those soldiers who refused to fight, and help heal those that did go to Iraq. Yes.

But the first order of business is the US military out of Iraq. Now.


He also says he doesn't believe there are any good options, that there are bad and worse options. On Jay Leno he also alluded to his belief that there is no solution in sight that could end up good. He's basically saying no matter what we do...we're going to look bad from this...that's how bad it's become. 4-6 months is reasonable when concerning withdrawal...and he stands by that, but also acknowledges that Bush will stonewall any attempt to bring the troops home while he is in office. This is done mainly because Bush doesn't want to be around when we leave Iraq and the country implodes. This way, you can blame it on the current President and not him. But people will anyway, the Iraq War will always be seen as Bush's failure, and not whomever the next President will be.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 10:26 AM
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11. That's 4-6 months to BEGIN withdrawal. Taking an unknown amount of time.
Why not a date to complete withdrawal?? Bush won't give us a date, nor will obama, nor will mccain.

Obama is on the record as wanting the troops on the killing fields for up to half a year before withdrawal begins. despicable.

I do agree that the mere withdrawal of occupation troops that are killing Iraqis (who are resisting a brutal criminal invasion, as is their right) from Iraq will not mean that everything will be fine in Iraq. But speeding up what is inevitable is the right thing to do.

Instead, he says we should wait half a year (or more, he says the process may not start in 2007) to start... to start!?!

So someday i will campaign/vote for obama. Maybe not in 2007. Maybe not in 2008. It may take several years. Depending on conditions. Can't set a firm date for that.

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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:50 AM
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10. What in the hell is a phase redeployment
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 10:28 AM
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12. It means many more US troops die in a criminal war. Plain and simple.
Means your ninth grader may see action in Iraq.
Means the people of Iraq suffer and suffer.
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angry_chuck Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:59 PM
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3. it sure by seems like
a lot of Americans have enjoyed the divisions brought about by emperor bush. Is America ready to mend its differences? Some people like to stick i tin your face, "get over it, we won." B8llshit. bush stole both elections and lied to get us into Afghanistan and Iraq for his gain. bush is a huge corporation masquerading as one man. I want the opposite of that and Obama sure seems to embody that. I am not saying he is Jesus but Chavez might be right about one thing at least. Does that make Barack the messiah? I mean, only if he runs/wins of course...ha
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:46 PM
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8. The candidates who say NH should be courted before Nevada...
are the most likely to win NH. I don't especially care one way or the other, but I bet Nevada cares. I just think it is pretty obvious the ones who are doing this.

They are flattering NH, and I guess they have to do that.

I am not sure why McAuliffe should have bothered to set up the commission on primaries, not sure why the DNC bothered to do it if no one is going to pay attention to it.

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