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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:43 AM
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White House in total disarray over what to do in Iraq...?
Hadley and a few others want to send in more troops. Cheney wants to throw full support behind the Shiite majority. Condi Rice wants to work with the Sunni moderates. General Pace says they do not need more troops. It appears to this untrained eye that it is in complete disarray...

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/world/middleeast/13prexy.html?hp&ex=1165986000&en=888fb269573e196a&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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Among the complicated debates under way within the administration is the question of whether the United States should dispatch more American troops to Baghdad as part of a short-term surge aimed at quashing such attacks. The idea of a surge has been raised repeatedly by Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, but has prompted skepticism from commanders on the ground about its effectiveness.

Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is not expected to advocate a surge when he briefs Mr. Bush at the Pentagon on Wednesday. A White House official said Mr. Hadley was only keeping options open for the president and not necessarily advocating one over another.

A central thrust of the discussions at all levels of the administration is how to pressure Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki to move faster to provide basic services and quell sectarian violence — some of which stems from his powerful supporter, the radical Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr — and whether to force him to meet certain benchmarks or face penalties and rewards, also to be determined.

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Some members of the administration, including some in Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, have argued that the administration needs to provide clear support to a strong Shiite majority government, but the State Department, led by Condoleezza Rice, views that as a recipe for perpetual civil war. Ms. Rice has instead advocated a proposal intended to woo centrist Sunni leaders to Mr. Maliki’s side, including provincial leaders. One senior administration official said reports of internal arguments on this issue were “overblown” because “everyone believes in national reconciliation.”
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:48 AM
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1. tony will clear it up at the press goggle--cspan2 at 11 am.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:53 AM
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2. so Cheney and Condi are butting heads!!


Some members of the administration, including some in Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, have argued that the administration needs to provide clear support to a strong Shiite majority government, but the State Department, led by Condoleezza Rice, views that as a recipe for perpetual civil war. Ms. Rice has instead advocated a proposal intended to woo centrist Sunni leaders to Mr. Maliki’s side, including provincial leaders. One senior administration official said reports of internal arguments on this issue were “overblown” because “everyone believes in national reconciliation.”
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:54 AM
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5. Sounds like W style reconciliation
We reconciliate as long as you reconciliate your views with mine.
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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:01 AM
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3. The administration has not had
one good idea about this war since they declared it.

Bush & Co felt that we would go into Iraq, take out Saddam & then we will win control of the oil fields & profits for our biggest oil companies. Then we will go into Iraq bomb them into the next century & take away their oil fields as well. Suddenly the USA will be the biggest producer of oil. Then we will move all troops into North Korea & turn their population into to cheap labor machines to produce more cheap crap for the masses over here, thereby taking control of goods being manufactured away from the Chinese. Then GW will appear on television & declare that in 6 months the US now controls the world. People will then call for him to voted in as king.

That was what god was telling GW all along.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 11:24 AM
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4. I have a feeling the clash of the Titans is between
Poppy and Cheney, leaving Junior sitting in the corner, scratching himself in inappropriate places and waiting for one of them to tell him what to think and to do.

Poppy's using proxies like Baker and Rice to avoid getting Junior's gonads in an uproar.

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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:13 PM
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7. Too funny!
Well put!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 12:02 PM
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6. Yes. They are throwing these out to test them on focus groups
What else could they be doing?

All of this is for show. Why would they stop now?

I can't believe that Cheney and Rummy didn't have this whole thing scripted out they are just trying to sell this story and keep on doing what they are doing. Bush was probably not lying when he said that there was not going to be a drawdown while he was president (sooner or later they have to tell the truth about something).

We'll see but the only way the Republican party can recover from the Bush years is for Bush to apologize for everything. They couldn't find the right time to get rid of Foley so distancing themselves from W is going to be nearly impossible.
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