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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 12:53 PM
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Edwards Shows Deference To Kerry, But Doesn't Duck Obvious Question About Obama
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This regards John Edwards' interview yesterday with MSNBC's Chris Matthews. The quick analysis: Edwards considers Obama -- and the hype surrounding his possible candidacy -- a greater threat than Kerry to grab the anti-Hillary Clinton vote in the 2008 primaries.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 12:58 PM
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1. The Dem 07 Senate can get some REAL work done - THEN the Dem primary debates
will begin to clarify the strongest contenders.
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:06 PM
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2. true, but the jockeying is already beginning
primaries are one thing. right now, it's about raising money, landing endorsements, lining up staff, getting your voice heard.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:10 PM
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3. And then there are the DEBATES where most Dems make their decisions.
money spreads around alot more than actual votes do come Jan. 2008.
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:13 PM
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4. yes, but if the perception is obama isn't ready, that'll dampen his ability
to get money, and in turn his ability to turn out the vote in iowa and NH.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:33 PM
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8. Easy to run when press says they LOVE YOU - harder to do when press makes its
actual loyalties known and start protecting their corporate masters and their interests....yet again.

But then....it will be easier for any corporate Dem from the cover up wing of the Dem party who will get a much easier go of it from the media whores.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 02:14 PM
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11. Obama has been busy campaigning for Democrats nationwide...
even before he was elected. The man is a phenomenon. Edwards, on the other hand, has only tried to get himself elected.

I fully expect Dems nationwide to campaign for and support Obama.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 10:39 PM
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20. where do you get this? Edwards campaigned for candidates in every part of the country
and raised money for them, not himself.

You have it exactly backwards.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:17 PM
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5. He's right. Kerry is finis as a presidential candidate.
I was an early and loyal supporter of his but given his shoddy campaign performance in 2004 and his "foot in mouth" statements since, he's done nationally. The public has moved on. That's the reality, as indicated in recent polls. Besides, it's virtually impossible to come back to grab a party's nomination after losing in the General.

Also, based on Edwards' response, he sees Obama as the greatest threat to his own candidacy as well.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:29 PM
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6. Media will eventually dog any serious Dem candidate and then press them for
3-4 statements a day at the same time they are giving 4-5 rallies and speeches a day.

Over 2yrs the Dem candidate who will not have every statement and MIS-STATEMENTS scrutinized, twisted, lied about and spun against to fit the RNC storyline will be.............. ??????? ............please fill in the blank.
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:53 PM
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9. that's my point, exactly
If Obama runs and Gore does not, then Obama and Edwards will joust for the anti-Hillary vote in the primaries.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 10:28 AM
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22. Senator Kerry has run in some tough races, Obama hasn't.
Just saying, I wouldn't count out Senator Kerry based on conventional wisdom. Both men has strong points and weak ones. Obama is the golden boy right now, that could change at any time. 2008 is a long ways away.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:29 PM
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7. Edwards is correct
I don't think Edwards should run.
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 01:54 PM
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10. ???
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 02:57 PM
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12. Edwards has all the liabilities of 2004
without anything added. It would have been one thing if he had an elected office of some sort, but he's got nothing. I like Edwards in general, but I think he would be a rehash if he ran in 2008 as things stand.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 03:04 PM
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13. OK... Mr. Media Maven doesn't understand the media?
Um... who here KNOWS that Obama will be yesterday's news by the time any primary comes around?

I do.
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 04:29 PM
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14. That was not an attack
First of all the lady that asked the question said he was a senator for two years when he ran for president, he has a right to correct her and say he was in the senate for six years. Come on people give it a rest.
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lillilbigone Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:00 PM
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15. No kidding.
geez
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:20 PM
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17. it wasn't an attack
Edited on Wed Dec-13-06 05:26 PM by JABBS
but it came right after the obama question, and when he corrected her, the audience laughed.

i have to figure some people, edwards included, realized the "two years" thought was juxtaposing obama's career with edwards.

I'm not suggesting edwards was being mean-spirited. I'm actually a big Edwards fan. I just think he used the incorrect stat in the question to his advantage.

furthermore, the article doesn't say that edwards attacked obama -- it says he used the opportunity to keep the obvious question about obama's experience in play.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:18 PM
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16. There was no deference to Kerry there
he simply didn't use the opportunity to attack. He didn't correct Matthews who distorted Kerry's lousy joke to make it worse, he simply said it was a mistake - true, fair and pretty neutral. It was neither an attack or in any ways a defense.

That was also the politically best place to be - stabbing Kerry in the back would be pretty nasty given that Kerry made him VP.
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:21 PM
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18. agreed that it would make no sense to attack kerry
but edwards basically didn't want to answer any kerry questions, and when he started to answer one (about the joke), elizabeth stepped in. seems to be a conscious effort.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-13-06 05:59 PM
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19. I agree - and I think it a smart and decent move
No criticism was intended. The point is that the media is so bad to Kerry that neutral which Edwards was here is seen as supportive.

Compare to Dean's comment which was supportive.
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andykef Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 07:15 AM
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21. Edwards? No Way
Edwards will not be good enough in 2008! He is a nice guy but he has only served one term as a Senator and therefore a difficult sell in terms of security issues etc.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-14-06 10:32 AM
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23. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that Obama is a greater threat
than Kerry to grab the anti-Hillary Clinton vote in the 2008 primaries.
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