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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:34 PM
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Obama Vs. Bush On Cocaine Past: John Kerry Explains
For those that haven't seen the YouTube moment when a Fox host goes WAY off message by bringing up Bush's history with the little white lines, here's the delicious clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rag1DyFpdI&eurl=

Now here is John Kerry, who like his stepson Chris Heinz, didn't shy away from Bush's case of the sniffles:

But despite significant media attention this week, the only government official to touch upon the disconnect between the drug use of political leaders and the punitive drug policies that they often espouse was Sen. John Kerry (D-MA).

On Monday, Kerry was asked by reporters to explain why he thought that questions surrounding George Bush regarding whether or not he had used cocaine were more substantively relevant than Gore's use of marijuana. Kerry, noting that Al Gore had already admitted his use of marijuana, said:

"(H)e (Gore) said 'I used it.' So that's not an issue... And I don't think Al Gore intends, you know, to make prior use an issue of other people, except to the degree that it affects public policy."

Pressed later on the question of the Bush cocaine rumors, Kerry laid out his thinking on why Bush's drug use, if substantiated, is indeed an important issue for voters to consider:

"The issue about George Bush is not the fact that he may have used it, said Kerry. "The issue about George Bush is, how can you, if you have (used cocaine), have a position that is so at odds in terms of being a governor where you send a lot of other people who may have done the same thing you do to jail. That's the issue. It's not a question of whether he used it or when he used it, it's a question of what his policy is today and whether that's hypocritical and dangerous."

http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/123/gorequestions.shtml

On "Fox News Sunday," John Kerry claimed Gore was better than Bush because he admitted use, and better than Clinton because he didn't claim he only used it once and didn't inhale. Then he turned around and said Bush's rumored drug use should be the only issue since he supported tough drug laws.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/BozellColumns/newscolumn/2000/col20000203.asp


And here's a bonus link to Heinz (known to post at DU from time to time) doing a fairly good job of driving freepers into a frenzy worthy of Tony Montana playing with a mountain of coke and an assault rifle.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1263616/posts
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:46 PM
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1. where HAVE YOU been ?
hope you come by more often.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:48 PM
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2. So true! It's about the hypocrisy
That is the point that needs to be made. Bush did things that he later turned around and sent people to prison for doing. That's when it's relevant.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:51 PM
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3. It also centers on honesty
If there is adequate reasone to believe or know someone used drugs it is the lying that makes it dog you. Not the acutal use.
Senator Obama and VP Gore openly admitted to using. So, it won't stick
But, W just can't help but, lie. Not because of using but, because W just likes to lie. It's like a sickness.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 10:58 PM
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4. I don't think he necessarily likes to lie - he just thinks he's above being forced to tell the truth
His sense of entitlement is breathtaking. I think he believes no one has the right to hold him accountable for anything.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 11:06 PM
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5. Do You Remember His Face at The First Debate?
It was perhaps the first time since 9/11 that someone dared to speak to him without lowering their eyes and dropping their pants. He is much more used to a media that stages press conferences on the eve of war (I'll never forget that shining moment of journalistic integrity) or tags along and trumpets his holding of a fake photo op turkey in Iraq as if he just turned water into wine.

The look on his face at the debates was just about the same look he had with Stephen Colbert - indignation bordering on sputtering rage.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:28 AM
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11. "indignation bordering on sputtering rage" What a great description.
He really had moved to the point where his "joke" that being a dictator would be easier - as long as he was the dictator was close to the truth. Everyone in the media was intimidated by the fact that he was nasty enough to either go after them or at minimum cut their access. (My mind still has problems with the fact that they called a nasty guy, "nice" and as a bonus, called 2 genuinely decent men "unlikable".)

Where it showed the most was when Bush, forgetting that this was not his specially screen audience, implied that Iraq attacked us on 911. Kerry was absolutly perfect in calling him out - and Bush was clearly furious as he said "I know that!")
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 11:59 PM
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6. The difference is...
Obama tried coke as a teenager. Bush was a coke head and an alcoholic as an adult. Big fucking difference.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 07:56 AM
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8. "Bush was a coke head and an alcoholic as an adult. " Was??? n/t
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Mikey929 Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 08:42 AM
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9. Was?
Is there any evidence he still uses? I'm serious. I don't want to bash the guy if he truly did clean up his act. And I speak from experience. I'm a successful attorney, but in my younger days I did a whole heck of a lot I'm not proud of -- binge drinking, pot, coke, etc. But I cleaned myself up, and I know it can be hard to do. So I will give the guy credit for that. I would take offense if someone suggested -- without proof -- that I was using again. It's a touchy subject for me, and I don't think those kinds of allegations should be tossed out lightly.

Drug laws are way messed up. Treatment is the key, not prison. For use, I mean. If there are crimes committed to get drugs, that's a different issue.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:04 AM
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7. "hypocritical and dangerous"
Gee, and here I thought Kerry was a milquetoast who never attacked Bush :sarcasm:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:18 AM
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10. Nice post
In addition to the topic itself, this really brings back the nastiness of political mud slinging.

What they ignore is that Gore's pot use in addition to being admitted clearly was far in the past and he had decades where he was a very steady, productive, hard working statesman. The real issue with Bush was less that he may have used cocaine in his youth, but that his life was very significantly impaired by drug use -even if it were only alcohol- until he was 40.

The other issue was that the rumors included special treatment when caught breaking the law. Kerry's comment is more damning when you know consider the then known background story. The hypocrisy of supporting draconian laws eliminating any possibility of a judge giving a young person - no matter what the extenuating circumstances - a second chance when your own life was a series of special nth chances is galling.

The drug war link did a nice job being non-partisan. Their agenda is clear and upfront, but from seeing all the other sides, they seemed to treat everyone fairly. I had forgotten the Clinton policy on medical marijuana and their drug policy.

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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:43 AM
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12. This may be one thing Kerry would not want to point out
But Cocaine is a whole lot worse than marijuana. Marijuana is legal in the Netherlands. Many claim the banning of it had to do with the cotton farmers not wanting the use of hemp as an alternative. So the government obliged with the lobbyists & banned it. I don't know if this is true or not. I have never used any illegal drugs. But being a progressive I am open to any new way of thinking.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:33 AM
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13. Why would he not want to point it out?
Who doesn't know that Cocaine is far more addictive than Marijuana?

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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:37 AM
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15. Being a politician
He has got to maintain the government position that all drugs are bad for you. I believe if he was free of the government noose he may easily point it out. But with he recent "botched joke" problem he probably does not want to further jeopardize his chances of running for president. Now please imagine if he did say that. The fundies at Fox & Co will have field day with it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:41 AM
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16. Huh? n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:05 PM
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17. Everyone knows already that Kerry was for decriminalization of marijuana because when
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 02:06 PM by blm
he ran the prosecutors' office in Massachusetts he told his prosecutors that drug busts of personal use amounts would be LOWEST PRIORITY for his department, and discouraged the prosecution of those cases. And the pro-pot groups gave Kerry their highest rating out of all the 2004 candidates.

And it's way more dangerous for ANYONE to take Kerry on when it comes to narcotics, since he took the lead against the REAL narco-dealers and terrorists on an international scale - IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning.

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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:16 PM
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19. Kerry in Rolling Stone talking about decriminalization and the failed War on Drugs
You have talked in the past of smoking pot when you returned from Vietnam. What do you think of the way the pot laws are prosecuted today?

We have never had a legitimate War on Drugs in the United States, ever, and we won't until we have treatment on demand for addiction and until you have full drug education in our schools. The mandatory-minimum-sentencing structure of our country is funneling people into jail who have no business being there.

And every year, the number of people arrested for marijuana offenses goes up.

I've met plenty of people in my lifetime who've used marijuana and who I would not qualify as serious addicts -- who use about the same amount as some people drink beer or wine or have a cocktail. I don't get too excited by any of that.

Would you favor decriminalization?

No, not quite. What we did in the prosecutor's office was have a sort of unspoken approach to marijuana that was almost effectively decriminalization. We just didn't bother with small-time use. It doesn't rise to the level of nuisance, even. And what we were after was people dealing with heroin and destroying lives, and people who were killing people. That's where you need to focus.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/5939886/john_kerrys_desperate_hours/


And here is Wikipedia on the policy of the Netherlands for comparison:

Cannabis remains a controlled substance in the Netherlands and both possession and production for personal use are still misdemeanors, punishable by fine. Coffee shops (allowed to sell soft drugs openly) are also illegal according to the statutes.

However, a policy of non-enforcement has led to a situation where reliance upon non-enforcement has become common, and because of this the courts have ruled against the government when individual cases were prosecuted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 08:01 PM
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21. Somebody get this to Bill Maher -- I wonder if he knew this?
Heck, this could turn into an endorsement of Kerry in '08 on this issue alone!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:14 PM
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23. True, but it is sad that people who think they're alert still don't know this stuff when
itis a documented part of his longtime service and overall philosophy. The corporate media doesn't really give American public the chance anymore to get to know candidates in any substantial way, so it is getting to the point where substance will be overlooked for unimportant surface qualities.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 07:47 PM
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20. Why do think Kerry would disagree?
He was the only Senator willing to investigate whether the contra were bringing cocaine into the US which they were. He headed the subcommitte on terrorism and drugs - and it was through investigating the money laudering done by Noreiga that he stumbled into learning about the evil BCCI bank. Kerry is very anti-drug though he admitted to having tried pot in the 70s.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:34 AM
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14. Excellent post. Thanks. n/t
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 04:03 PM
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18. W
I thought W still uses cocaine, isn't he on lots of medication also? I'd like to have a beer with him...oh yeah, he's in AA, fall off the wagon recently georgy?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 04:13 PM
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24. heheh - I wouldn't want to have a beer or a line with Bush.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 08:25 PM
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22. Excellent post.
K & R (and sent to my younger brother).
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