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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:07 AM
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So...now Bush can seize and read our first class mail
according to his latest signing statement. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9513.html

Ah, those pesky signing statements. You just never know what White House lawyers will quietly put in there.

President Bush has quietly claimed sweeping new powers to open Americans’ mail without a judge’s warrant, the Daily News has learned.

    The President asserted his new authority when he signed a postal reform bill into law on Dec. 20. Bush then issued a “signing statement” that declared his right to open people’s mail under emergency conditions.

    That claim is contrary to existing law and contradicted the bill he had just signed, say experts who have reviewed it.

    Bush’s move came during the winter congressional recess and a year after his secret domestic electronic eavesdropping program was first revealed. It caught Capitol Hill by surprise.

I suspect the president’s supporters will argue that terrorists might send mail, and law enforcement officials need to be able to review that mail in order to keep Americans safe.

That’s true, but a) there’s already a legal mechanism in place to intercept suspicious mail; and b) it’s beside the point. As Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), the incoming House Government Reform Committee chairman, who co-sponsored the bill, explained, “Despite the President’s statement that he may be able to circumvent a basic privacy protection, the new postal law continues to prohibit the government from snooping into people’s mail without a warrant.”

The closer one looks at the signing statement, the worse it looks...


What, short of impeachment, will stop this lunatic?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:13 AM
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1. Although it was never in writing, haven't the Feds always been
permitted to open suspicious mail "under emergency conditions"? I know they did it during the anthrax mess.

The real problem I see here is "WHO" would determine whatconstitutes and emergency situation????
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:16 AM
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3. Everyone is an enemy combatant? n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:15 AM
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2. First class mail to be read by second class president.
Possible headline?
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:18 AM
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6. You are much kinder than I. I would have said 4th class shyster...
when referring to the current occupant of the white house; at the very least.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:49 PM
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13. First class mail to be read by bulk rate asshole.
How's that?
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:50 PM
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14. Perfect. n/t
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Parisle Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:17 AM
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4. The larger issue is the "signing statements," themselves
--- The goddamned signing statement have to be stopped. Those Bush has made have to be rescinded. The presidency has to be returned to its Constitutional role of "executing" the expressed will of the people,... and removed from the role of dictatorial, one-man lawmaking.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:18 AM
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5. KJB (Soviet Union) , STASI (E. Germany), GESTAPO (Third Reich).
Traditions that I always believed would never make their way to this government.
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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:19 AM
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7. I wonder when they are
going to say we need to put cameras & other spy devices in every American home so that we can protect you from the terrorists. At this point in time I think the only thing we need protection from is the executive branch. I thought the republicans believed in less government.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:51 PM
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16. "I thought the republicans believed in less government."
no, that's just another lie they tell to get votes.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:20 AM
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8. Talk show host in Louisville just blasted this move --

and she was a Bush supporter several years back. Shifting sands, hope it isn't too late.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:25 PM
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15. Hope so too.
You'd think this would be enough to send libertarians around the bend.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:22 AM
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9. The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements...

The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration

By JOHN W. DEAN

Friday, Jan. 13, 2006

Presidential signing statements are old news to anyone who has served in the White House counsel's office. Presidents have long used them to add their two cents when a law passed by Congress has provisions they do not like, yet they are not inclined to veto it. Nixon's statements, for example, often related to spending authorization laws which he felt were excessive and contrary to his fiscal policies.

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By Cooper's count, George W. Bush issued 23 signing statements in 2001; 34 statements in 2002, raising 168 constitutional objections; 27 statements in 2003, raising 142 constitutional challenges, and 23 statements in 2004, raising 175 constitutional criticisms. In total, during his first term Bush raised a remarkable 505 constitutional challenges to various provisions of legislation that became law.

That number may be approaching 600 challenges by now. Yet Bush has not vetoed a single bill, notwithstanding all these claims, in his own signing statements, that they are unconstitutional insofar as they relate to him.

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The frequency and the audacity of Bush's use of signing statements are troubling. Enactments by Congress are presumed to be constitutional - as the Justice Department has often reiterated. For example, take what is close to boilerplate language from a (selected at random): "It is well-established that Congressional legislation is entitled to a strong presumption of constitutionality. See ('Every possible presumption is in favor of the validity of a statute, and this continues until the contrary is shown beyond a rational doubt.')."

Bush's use of signing statements thus potentially brings him into conflict with his own Justice Department. The Justice Department is responsible for defending the constitutionality of laws enacted by Congress. What is going to happen when the question at issue is the constitutionality of a provision the President has declared unconstitutional in a signing statement?

Does the President's signing statement overcome the presumption of constitutionality? I doubt it. Will the Department of Justice have a serious conflict of interest? For certain, it will.


Posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2888926&mesg_id=2888926">The dictator strikes again: Bush signing statements on HS and Def. bills

Presidential Signing Statements, and Alito's Role in Them, Are Questioned

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:26 AM
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10. The American people have NOW become enemies of the state.........
the lunatic continues to subvert the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and appoint himself the grand exalted dictator.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:38 AM
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11. how do they define 'emergency'?
I mean, if it's truly an emergency, like if someone is missing or assumed dead, shouldn't you be doing something a little more active rather than snooping through someone's personal mail?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:10 PM
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12. I will be an emergency if a Dem congressperson is close to
defeating a Rethug. His mail will be opened...count on it!
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:57 PM
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17. I'm sure they've been doing it for years
especially if they are now asking for permission
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