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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:19 PM
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the left took a nap after 1992.
That's been the accusation, and I think it's largely true. A Democrat was finally in office after 12 years of Reagan/Bush I and a lot of us, though not all of us, just sort of chilled for a while.

In return, of course, we got triangulation, the 1994 midterms and welfare "reform".

It's amusing that those who chided the left for that ill-timed rest for years are the ones howling loudest now when the left *isn't* napping following a Dem victory. Time to keep pushing, folks.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:23 PM
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1. Agreed, I'm not going to vote DLC again if they stay Republican LITE ...
These moderate Democrats best get on board to bring our troops home or else they should change their party affiliation. :(
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:31 PM
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5. now, now - listen to your betters.
;-) :D
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:25 PM
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2. I agree- If DEMS dont want Cindy protesting them, then they can take a moral position on Iraq.
It's really simple, actually.

I dont have a problem with Cindy b/c she is consistent- she never claimed to be a DEM partisan like many of us, she only claimed to be against the war.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:28 PM
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4. funny, isn't it, how DU opinion changes
when an erstwhile hero turns her guns on The Party. Analysis is a shallow thing here, sometimes.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:28 PM
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3. absolutely -- in the enviro movement, only the "fringe"
still questioned the constant muffed opportunities and selling out of the eco-concerns under Clinton...
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:32 PM
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6. I'm not as familiar with the environmental record under BC
Love to have some details. :)
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:48 PM
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7. he had a chance, in the first two years, w/ the Dems, to
really chart a new course, especially viz. rules affecting national forests, etc. He passed up chances to reign in excess logging, protect watersheds, etc. Was too afraid of offending big business, and when he passed a welter of executive orders toward the end of his second term, while they were better than nothing, it became too little too late.

And too easily reversible by the crackpot-in-chief
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 07:24 PM
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9. It's not the fringe
I thinkk the major environmental groups never were all that enamoured with Clinton. His record in Arkansas was not good. He was far better than W though. He did many things at the end by executive order - this was kind of a win/win strategy for Clinton. Any economic or political cost of doing it would fall on his successor. Most were repealed by Bush - so in many cases it's hard to tell what the full impact would have been.

The truth is that Clinton did not want to use political capital on this issue. It was under Bush 1 and Clinton that the SUV was allowed to not be a car - thus in reality leading to average lower miles per gallon if it could be computed on all vehicles used as cars. (ie -the SUVs included) These were wasted years when energy alternatives and efficiency should have been pushed. Clinton knew the image that Carter got by pushing conservation and he didn't do it. (oil is a finite resource - it will run out.)
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:34 PM
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10. mostly agree -- I was in one of the "radical" enviro groups at the time
(though pretty much everything we talked about, Cassandra-like, is coming to pass...), but the mainstreamers seemed a little more willing to remain "silent" and "wait and see" with Clinton...
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talk hard Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 06:53 PM
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8. kinda broad brush smear
:(
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 05:59 PM
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11. Yep --- I sort of reflect that in my sig. line -- let's not get complacent!
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