If the democrats cave on not getting troops out of this war a 3rd party ...

candidate is needed for 08 plain and simple.i am tired of these politicians bullshitting about this war

Presidential candidates - no.

Just establish a real second party. The next election cycle, 2008, not only elects a president (supposedly) but also every house representative plus 33 senators are up for reelection.

Third parties aren't the answer (see Nader & Perot.)

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