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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:42 AM
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Would you support the troop surge...

If, as Senator Levin says he'd support it, it was tied to a withdrawal? If it was tied to a withrdawal of the troops I would support it. I'm starting to think that this is what Bush is going to decide on, your thoughts?
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:45 AM
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1. Hell NO!
It just means more troops to get out went we leave. Think about it.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:46 AM
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2. I'm with Levin.
We need to genuinely move forward in Iraq, enough stay the course bushit.

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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:46 AM
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3. No Way all that will do
Is get more KIA or wounded and thats not talking about the walking wounded
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:47 AM
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4. No, because it makes no logical sense.
The two concepts are mutually exclusive, in fact. If you send in more troops, then obviously they're going to be there for a good while, else they wouldn't need to be sent - and if you can withdraw troops, then there is no need to send more in the first place.
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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:48 AM
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5. But we have to talk reality.

The vast majority of the people in this country do not support a full on pullout. The mainstream of Democrats do not support an immediate withdrawal but a timed withdrawal. If we can get both sides to agree to this solution of surge then withdrawal then I am for it. Because it's a solution. We can't decide this one on our own, not even with our majority.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:06 AM
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10. NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!
And all of the 'statements' that you make in the post I'm replying to are wrong/inaccurate.

(i.e., "vast majority in this country do not support a full on pullout", "mainstream of Dems do not support an immediate withdrawal")

The only people in this country who support this 'war' are the last 11%, the 'dregs' of the country, if you will. (Remember too that there are always 3-4% who are 'unemployable', even though supposedly they could work....just no one with an honest/decent business would hire them) ~ this last 11% obviously includes that 3-4% unemployable group too....no brains, no common sense. Living in Mom's basement.
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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:10 AM
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13. I think you took my words out of context.

I did not mean to say the mainstream/majority of Americans do not support a pull out at all but that the opinion from most DU'ers on here is to just pull out all at once now and the majority of people on this board would be happy. I mean to say immediate pullout, all at once, just ditching Iraq, is not supported by the majority of American people.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:40 AM
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18. Your original question was about "supporting a troop surge"
Surge = Escalation. You've heard a resounding 'NO'.

Any other questions?
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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 03:17 AM
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19. Surge tied in with troop withdrawal. Put your reading glasses on and try again.
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 03:22 AM by JeremyWestenn
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:48 AM
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6. NO
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:53 AM
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7. Enjoy your visit
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 06:03 AM
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24. Yes, and try not to cry to hard when it's over.
Oh, who am I kidding? You're going to cry a lot.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:53 AM
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8. NO I would not support anything the twisted thief proposed. How many times must he lie?
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:54 AM
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9. We would not support it in a box.....
We would not support it with a fox...
We would not support it in a house...
We would not support it with a mouse..
We would not support it here or there...
We would not support it anywhere!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:10 AM
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14. Well, larissa...
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:07 AM
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11. No way, no how, never
It's just double talk bullshit. Enough of our young men and women have died there. Let's bring them home - NOW! Anything else is just political bullshit.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:10 AM
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12. I won't support anything this "pResident**" comes up with..
He's a lying asshole, and he's proven that time after time.

I support his impeachment, however.
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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:10 AM
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15. Which will never happen. nt
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:36 AM
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16. Never say "never".......
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 02:37 AM
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17. Sez you..
Maybe justice will prevail. He has earned it and he is almost begging for it.

In any event he's a fucking liar. If you believe that this idiotic "surge" is a pre-cursor to withdrawal, I feel sorry for you.
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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 03:17 AM
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20. Now you are purposefully taking my words out of context.

Supporting a surge so long as it is tied in WITH a withdrawal. Meaning it's bound. That was the question, stop trying to spin stuff so you can be elitist and superior.
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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 03:23 AM
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21. Also, I'd like to mention...

That I do believe Bush is impeachable. However I don't think thats what the people elected their new majority to do and I don't believe we have all the votes required. Unless something profound comes from our investigations I doubt he will ever be impeached and I believe doing so will hurt our newly created fledgling majority.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 03:41 AM
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22. Chill, dude.
I'm expressing my opinion.

A surge is pointless. It will get a lot more of our kids killed. Bush is a fucking liar. He will agree to anything, but will do whatever he wants in the end. He is the Commander-in-Chimp.

If we continue with the illegal occupation, we will get our asses handed to us, just like we did in Vietnam.
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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:19 PM
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30. You'r right. :(

I wonder what it will be like when Iraq is over.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 05:31 AM
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23. what is the need to escalate in order to withdraw ... these are two clashing propositions
which are in direct contradiction of one another ... so. no. i would not and neither would i support any sheep in wolves clothing.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 06:14 AM
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25. Give him a bigger shovel? Hell no!
* will lie about withdrawal and leave this debacle up to the next president, who will be a Democrat.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 06:26 AM
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26. Surge? Uh, you mean escalate don't you? Are you *?
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 06:32 AM
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27. That sounds like "I had to destroy the village to save it."
Note to Levin: Get. The. Fuck. Out. Of. Iraq. Now.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 07:26 AM
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28. No.
I don't care if God says it's a good idea. At best this is a delaying tactic to drop this horror show into the next president's lap. At worst it's tossing more people into the meat grinder.

Bush has lied for the past six years. :wtf: makes Levin or anyone else think he isn't lying now?
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 07:33 AM
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29. Only brings about more US targets to be killed.
Democrats allow such, time to connect with Cindy Sheehan.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:20 PM
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31. Nope
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:22 PM
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32. No.
I support a withdrawal.

I do not support a withdrawal that is tied to an escalation. That is not a withdrawal.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:29 PM
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33. no
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