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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:37 PM
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Dodd is not fit to hold office in America until he repeals HAVA
Chris Dodd is personally responsible for the evisceration and obliteration of any and all Integrity, Accountability and
Transparency in American Voting and Elections, which is the very foundation and bedrock of American Democracy.
Chris Dodd is personally responsible for the use of Electronic Voting Machines used to corrupt and manipulate the
votes of 80 percent of American citizens.
Because of the passage and implementation of HAVA, E-Voting equipment and secret manipulative software has been
legitimized and used throughout the U.S. HAVA has absolutely no reason to exist, except to codify and legitimize the election
corruption tactics and practices of the Rethugs. HAVA has placed E-voting equipment in 80 percent of the voting sites in America and it has legalized, permitted, codified, and enabled the Rethugs to engage in wholesale Demographic based voter cleansing through the abuse of computer based voter registration disenfranchisement cleansing schemes.
At no time has Senator Dodd shown any remorse for the absolute evil which he has foisted upon America, nor has he
ever made any effort whatsoever to rectify what he is directly responsible for. Now, we are subjected to seeing him
appear in the media and portray himself as some kinda of pious liberal saint.
Listening to this guy makes me want to fucking puke.
Chris Dodd has forfeited any and all right to hold public office in America.
FUCK Chris Dodd.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:40 PM
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1. Good Lord what an obscure issue.
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:48 PM
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2. HAVA an obscure Issue?? WTF ???
Since fucking when is the manipulation and corruption of the American vote process an obscure fucking issue???
George Bush was never elected, the vote tabulation was changed by the Electronic voting equipment
Legal, registered voters were denied the right to vote because of manipulated voter registration records
When the corruption of the American Voting process becomes an obscure fucking issue, than America is no longer a Democracy,
it is a Fucking Totalitarian regime.
Oh, I forgot
we are already halfway there.
HAVA is every bit as insidious and corrosive and destructive to American Freedoms, liberties, and Democracy as
the Patriot Act and the Military Tribunal Act.
The real Axis of Evil to America are these 3 laws.
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:27 PM
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4. Seriously, WTF???? OMGZ!!!
Chris Dodd is such a fascist tool.
I think you
should lead the primary challenge. His reign of
terror
has gone on too long.
I've heard sometimes he can be heard laughing far into the
night, rejoicing in all of the
American's that he's personally worked to
disenfranchise.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 07:57 PM
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3. Ditto..............Ninja
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 07:59 PM by liberalnurse
:smoke:
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Robson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:34 PM
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5. Agreed
The screwing of America started with Diebold and electronic voting machines. I consider that a VERY Important issue that needs corrected. It is not some unimportant technical issue. It is THE issue.

It is most likely one of the singular reasons why Bush is in power and why we are in Iraq. Former Rep Bob Ney of Ohio was another participant in that fleecing.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 08:58 PM
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6. Let's ask him if he has changed his mind
Gonna do it now.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:04 PM
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7. Have you ever READ HAVA?
Edited on Thu Jan-11-07 09:10 PM by beaconess
It doesn't do what you claim it does.

And how is Dodd singlehandedly responsible for it?

If HAVA had never been enacted, electronic voting would still exist. And HAVA could be repealed tomorrow and it wouldn't have a wit of an impact on the existence of electronic voting.

For anyone interested in reading the text of the law: http://www.fec.gov/hava/law_ext.txt
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 01:31 AM
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10. Oh yeah, I've read HAVA
I have a modicum of knowledge of HAVA and E-Voting
I'm one of the original founding members of California Election Protection Network ( I named it)
I haven't been active in a year or so
I wrote a 36 page paper on why Diebold is not Federally and State ( California ) compliant as per HAVA, FEC Standards ( 300 pages-you read that?),
and State Statues. I'll be glad to e-mail a copy to you
Then you can lecture me as to my lack of knowledge about HAVA, et al.
You can always ask the folks over in the Election section about me, most of them will verify that I'm an Asshole, but they will
tell you that I know what I'm talking about.
Enough about me
Let's talk 'bout ol' Chris Dodd
and HAVA
HAVA first
What HAVA did say/do:
1. HAVA provided the money , Federal Funds, to Registrar of Voters (RoVs) throughout America, to go on a buying orgy to buy E-voting equipment
without HAVA, most RoVs in America could not have acquired the money to buy these overpriced dogshit pieces of vote changing machines.
2. The RoVs interpreted HAVA as requiring that they must buy/use E-Voting Equipment, and HAVA did require that this equipment be
purchased by a certain date. This created a feeding frenzy.
3. HAVA was used for the most part, by the incredibly incompetent RoVs across America to buy and use E-voting equipment
4. HAVA did establish certain criteria for the implementation of E-voting and passed off the Standards setting to the incredibly incompetent EAC and the FEC
5. RoVs across America used HAVA as a de facto mandate to buy and use E-voting equipment
6.
A. HAVA did say that if a voting district ( i.e. a county) accepted U.S. Funds, as provided by HAVA, that district could NOT use punch card voting systems.
B. HAVA also established certain standards for Voters with disabilities, and it was this section which put E-voting DREs into almost every polling site in America.
Here is that section:

"TITLE III—UNIFORM AND NONDISCRIMINATORY ELECTION TECHNOLOGY
AND ADMINISTRATION REQUIREMENTS
Subtitle A—Requirements
42 USC 15481.

SEC. 301. VOTING SYSTEMS STANDARDS.
(a) REQUIREMENTS for Federal office shall meet the following requirements :
snip
(3) ACCESSIBILITY FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES
.—
The voting system shall—
(A) be accessible for individuals with disabilities,
including non visual accessibility for the blind and visually
impaired, in a manner that provides the same opportunity
for access and participation (including privacy and
independence) as for other voters;
(B) satisfy the requirement of subparagraph (A)
through the use of at least one direct recording electronic
voting system or other voting system equipped for individ-
uals with disabilities at each polling place; and
(C) if purchased with funds made available under title
II on or after January 1, 2007, meet the voting system
standards for disability access (as outlined in this paragraph)."

7. HAVA did establish/mandate centralized voter registration lists which could be, and have been used to Cleanse voter registration rolls and disenfranchise legitimate voters.
No standards were ever established to prevent this systematic demographic voter cleansing.


What HAVA did not say:
1. HAVA did not mandate/require E-voting equipment to be used in every polling site-
but it was exploited to "convince" RoVs that this was the case
2. HAVA and its food chain of supporting agencies and commissions have never established any sort of election day e-voting security program

So, did HAVA have a direct impact on E-voting equipment in America?
1. Probably every single voting jurisdiction ( county) in America, received money through HAVA to buy this equipment
2. Would these same jurisdictions ( and their respective incompetent RoVs) have purchased all this expensive E-voting equipment if HAVA
did not exist?
Probably not, because it was cost prohibitive
Not only is there a significant cost to purchase this equipment, but there is a rather significant cost per election to write new software
to support each election ( I've seen the contracts)
3. Would there be such extensive demographic voter cleansing from centralized voter lists without HAVA-
maybe not as extensive, but now these systems , which were used so effectively in Florida in 2000, are now mandated and their use is unregulated
4. There would not be the above cited clause from HAVA which has been used/abused to force the placement of DRE's into almost every polling site in the U.S. That clause is highly significant.
Almost every vote altering, manipulating tactic used by the Rethugs so successfully in 2000 in Florida was codified, mandated, and legalized by the implementation of HAVA.
5. If you deny and/or think that HAVA did not drive RoVs across America into a obsessive buying frenzy which they used to convince their jurisdiction's Board of Supervisors that HAVA mandated that they MUST buy and use E-voting equipment, you are uninformed.
I witnessed personally this parade of RoVs who appeared at the State and county level pressuring higher authorities to approve and certify and authorize the purchase and use of this equipment.

If HAVA never existed, these incompetent RoVs, controlled and manipulated by the E-voting equipment suppliers would never have had the money and/or leverage to buy this shit.

If HAVA was repealed, it could go a long way to fighting e-voting equipment, because it would close the EAC and negate the FEC shoddy standards.
It would also eliminate the bogus Federal Qualification status accorded this garbage equipment.
And RoVs could not misinterpret it as a mandate to purchase and use this shit.

I never said Dodd is singlehandedly responsible for it
Bob Ney and Chris Dodd were the sponsors of this bill.
Their names are on it.
They pimped HAVA, and by Pimping HAVA they pimped Electronic Voting. Period
No whiney excuses.
Dodd is responsible for putting Electronic Voting machines in almost every polling site in America. Period.
No claim can be made in his behalf that he pimped this bill out of fucking ignorance. If he didn't do research and due diligence on this,
if he was ignorant and unaware of the voting manipulation and GOP's illegal voting activities in Florida in 2000, he had no fucking business
writing , supporting, putting his name on this piece of totalitarian 3rd world garbage and pimping it.
If he is that incompetent, he should not hold office in America.
If he cannot Man Up to what he did, if he cannot and will not rectify what he is responsible for, he has forfeited any right to represent American citizens in Congress, let alone be President of the United States.
Now, you want to lecture me some more about what I do not know about E-voting and HAVA?

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:05 PM
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8. Not my type
But thanks.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 09:15 PM
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9. It passed 92-2 in the Senate...Clinton and Schumer the only No votes
So you will be supporting Hillary next year?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 01:41 AM
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11. but but but...he's running for president. think he'll get the "votes"? haha! n/t
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 05:48 AM
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12. Please don't lose sleep over Dodd running for pres
something tells me he won't be getting the nod, you heard it here first :)
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:33 AM
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13. Prior Knowledge of the outcome of a future election is.............
either :
1. Evidence of extremely well developed psychic powers
not to be confused with Glorious Leader George The Ultimate Warrior Bush's Psychotic Powers
2. In possession of Government Top Secret Classified information

3. Top Management position at an Electronic Voting Machine Company

4. You just stepped out of a time machine

5. Abuse of common sense

So, unless you reveal the source of your information,
it's the extraordinary rendition world tour for you
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