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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:04 PM
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I hope Robert Reich is wrong about the Democrats and Iraq.
This was written last week. He sounds like it's a done deal, pretty much. I don't know who to believe anymore. I don't know who to trust.

Why Dems Won't Stop Bush's "Surge" in Iraq

Bush will announce next week he wants 20,000 additional troops in Iraq. Most congressional Dems say they’re opposed, and they’ll use the upcoming confirmation hearings for Bush’s nominees to the United Nations and for Deputy Secretary of State to make their case. But Dems will still appropriate the extra money the "surge" requires. This is politically wise, although dreadfully cynical.

Let’s be clear: Twenty thousand additional troops won’t quell the violence in Iraq. It will only lead to more American deaths. The civil-war bloodbath there is escalating and it’s out of our hands. The only practical issue here in the U.S., over and above the additional losses of life, is who will be blamed for this slaughter – and its repercussions throughout the region – especially during the runup to the 2008 election.

As long as Dems remain opposed to Bush’s policies and the Democratic leadership offers some semblance of unity in opposition – while at the same time giving Bush the money he wants to carry out his policies – the Dem candidate in 2008 can blame Bush and the Republicans, and no Republican candidate who supports Bush will have a comeback. McCain’s strategy of distancing himself from Bush by arguing for more troops is about to backfire on him, because he’s going to get what he wants – and America will see just how tragically wrong he is (Edwards has already, adeptly, labeled it the "McCain doctrine.")

Yet wouldn’t it be extraordinary if the Dems didn’t play this political game, and refused to fund Bush’s "surge"?


I hope he is wrong. I know one thing, though. I watched Howard Dean on CNN this afternoon, and I suspect he has been told to not speak out on issues before congress. We thought this might happen. Just one sentence made it clear.

DEAN: I think that, you know, first of all, I don't have a vote here, so I think -- I think I'd like to make it as easy as possible on the leadership.


I don't think his offering his opinions should hamper our Democratic congressal leaders at all. If this is how it is going to be until 08 then the air will be very thick with a bunch of BS. He is part of leadership in the party. He has a right to speak freely.

He did say a little before he decided he'd better hush up.

When asked about John McCain:

BLITZER: All right, what do you say to Senator McCain?

DEAN: He sounds very much like Richard Nixon, you know, just stay a little longer, stay a little longer. We'll stay long enough to lose another 5,000 or 10,000 people. It still won't change anything. We never should have gone there in the first place. Senator McCain bears some responsibility for supporting the president when we went. His prescription for getting out is no prescription for getting out.

The American people have already rejected the stay the course position of Senator McCain and of President Bush. We need new leadership in this country and that's what the presidential election is going to be about in 2008.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/12/sitroom.02.html





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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:11 PM
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1. One of my local right wing pundits said the same
Which doesn't seem right somehow.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:19 PM
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2. So who in the field for 2008 are they keeping their powder dry for?
Kerry is definitely against funding the surge, and has already co-sponsored Kennedy's bill. Is Obama on board with that, too? (any Obama experts around?)

Edwards is not in Congress so he can say what he wants with no repercussions.

But where does Hillary stand? She says she's against the surge, but how will she vote for the funding of the surge?

As Little Clarkie says above, the Right Wing is really taking this and running with it. They're telling the Dems, put up or shut up. Of course, if the Dems did cut off funding, then they'd scream "Stabbed in the Back" just like they did after Vietnam.

I think it's problematic to cut off funding for troops in the theater, but for the surge, this is something Congress CAN do. The Dems I trust have already signed on. Who else will? And who in the 2008 list will step up to the plate?


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:25 PM
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3. This statement by Reich bothers me...
as I say, I hope he is wrong.

"As long as Dems remain opposed to Bush’s policies and the Democratic leadership offers some semblance of unity in opposition – while at the same time giving Bush the money he wants to carry out his policies – the Dem candidate in 2008 can blame Bush and the Republicans"

Then we have John Dean on Countdown tonight, saying so comfortably that if we cut funding Bush will be forced to bring the troops home. Yet no one really thinks they will do that.

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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:46 PM
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4. Iraq is a tar baby
If the Dems start making policy then the GOP can run against them on it when it goes wrong- because there is no good solution to Iraq.

About the best hope for 08 is to let Bush either improve it or get the people so against it that they are willing to accept the chaos when we pull out.

If Bush was smart he could turn it over to the Democrats or follow the Iraq Study Group and then when there was little or no change he could blame them. However he is too bull headed and conceited to do this.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:56 PM
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5. Congratulations Robert Reich - wish more people were listening.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:05 PM
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6. Unfortunately, Reich's forecast is correct.
But it's not just a political calculation by the Dems. The Dems realize that congress can't really stop the escalation with the de-funding strategy. They just don't have the ability to get the military information to run the war, which effectively is what they'd be doing.

The only real solution to this mess is for the Dems to take over the Executive Branch, via impeachment or whatever, accurately assess the situation in Iraq and change the policy, strategy, and tactics accordingly. The new policy would rely on non-military resolution much more heavily.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:42 PM
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7. But...but...
I had thought, and according to news sources that the Military budget was already set for the coming year. In that case Bush would use up his resources fast then would have to ask Congress for more money. Bush is allowed to use what is already appropriated by the outgoing Congress, but he had better use it wisely. The Dems have given him nothing so far and it is sad that rumors would be spread like this.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:16 AM
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8. When push comes to shove the politicians will lack balls to cut
troop funding. I can bet money on this. I have seen
this game replayed too many times.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:28 AM
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9. Murtha says he will attempt to cut funding, Bush says he'll send troops anyway.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axhAqycEeUTQ&refer=home

"Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic Representative John Murtha, chairman of a House subcommittee on defense spending, said he will try to block the increase of U.S. forces in Iraq and force the closing of a military prison in Guantanamo Bay by withholding funds for those operations.

Murtha said his panel will draft a set of conditions to be attached to the emergency spending legislation for military operations that President George W. Bush is to submit to lawmakers next month.

``We have a role as elected officials to exert our influence through the power of the purse,'' said Murtha. ``We're going to look at every aspect'' of the funding request.

..."Bush said he will push forward with his plan to send more U.S. troops even if Congress tries to block him by withholding money in an interview to be broadcast Sunday on CBS's ``60 Minutes.''

``I fully understand'' Congress ``could try to stop me from doing it,'' Bush said. ``But I made my decision, and we're going forward.''

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:55 PM
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10. Bush: "I made my decision, and we're going forward.''
The more I think about the whole thing...I don't really think we can stop him. The media for the right wing is in place now, has been for years. They spout whatever nonsense the WH sends out.





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