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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:14 AM
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Joe Klein: Sometimes the Obama Stumbles
Sometimes the Obama Stumbles
Posted by Joe Klein

Best of the Sunday shows was the sequential face off between Senators John McCain and Barack Obama on Face the Nation. From where I was sitting, McCain got the better of it--not because he had the better argument (he didn't), but because he was clear, concise and confident. It was, in fact, classic McCain, actually criticizing the military for not moving faster on the troop increase and saying, straight out, that this was our last chance to fix Iraq. He also threw down the gauntlet to the Democrats--if you're really against the war, don't mess around with non-binding resolutions, cut off the funding.
Obama, by contrast, seemed to be picking his words very, very carefully. He could have shown some anger at McCain--and Dick Cheney, who did his usual unreality show on Fox--for the outrageous suggestion that a non-binding vote on the surge would somehow hurt the troops. (In truth, it would only hurt the President). He was way too fudgy when asked about Ted Kennedy's proposal to cut off funds for escalation. I didn't disagree with a thing he said--his support for a phased, nuanced withdrawal is the right one, as opposed to the "Get Out Now" nonsense proposed by some--but he sure seemed less assured, less presidential, than McCain.

http://time-blog.com/swampland/ (and scroll down)


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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:34 AM
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1. Joe Klein is still polluting the world
with his crap?

Who cares?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:35 AM
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2. Klein likes to feel important
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:47 AM
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4. All of the pundits feel like they have God given powers
They "anoint" each other to choose for us what we should think, what we have seen, and what we should do.

I especially love the way they sit around the table and act like they know all there is to know about conducting a war...cause they are experts in everything....so they think! :eyes:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:41 AM
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3. Joke Line strikes again. Fuck'm.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 01:55 AM
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5. Joe Klein: the "anonymous" author of Primary Colors
I remember Joe Klein on TV being asked his opinion on Primary Colors, a disguised account of the Clinton 1992 primary campaign, and on the identity of its author. Klein played it coy, even though all the chattering class knew he was the author.

What a pig!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:50 AM
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6. What vomit
"Less assured, less Presidential?"

I see the hand of the Clintons at work.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:06 AM
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7. I was surprised to hear Kline....
oppose Bush's "surge" so vehemently though as well as his indignation about Bush's plans to punish Iran and Syria. I suppose he does have moments of lucidity but they're few and far between.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:07 AM
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8. Imagine Klein's reaction had Obama tried to take McCain down on Meet the Press
Probably along the lines of - "disrespectful, unprepared, running off at the mouth without considering what he said, arrogant, snotty-nose junior Senator."
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:18 PM
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9. Who is suggesting we leave "now?"
Klein loves to invent the political center so he can become the voice of reason. There's nothing that gets him all sweaty like phrases such as the "muscular center" and whatever.

Basically, he's looking for rhetorical boldness wrapped in cautious ideas. That, and he just likes to be a contrarian, which is why he loves McCain and loves to hate himself for loving him...and loves to hate McCain.

All of which is typical media egocentrism (don't be fooled by the whole "anonymous" novel publicity ruse).

Even the furthest on the left are looking for an orderly exit, not just "let's throw it all our stuff in a duffel bag and skidaddle."
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:20 PM
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10. Sorry...Joe Klein is an asshat in my book...
His opinions are to be discounted as far as I am concerned!
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:31 PM
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11. I saw that show too and I agree with you
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:52 PM
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12. Klein outed himself as hating liberals
Isn't it amazing that all the faults he assigned to Kerry are now assigned to Obama. Does it strike you as weird that speaking calmly and intelligently - is "not expressing anger". But, but .. if you're a Democrat who is not Bill Clinton and express anger, then you are treated as Dean was as "Is this man too angry to be President?" How narrow a band is the acceptable emotion.

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