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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:44 PM
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Am I hearing things?
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 07:05 PM by MissWaverly
Just listened to Hillary Clinton on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer on PBS, Gwen Iffil was interviewing her.

Hillary talked about her meeting with Iraqi officials.

The Iraqi officials told her that when the US troops come in to "surge" in Baghdad,
ie the proposed build-up by Bush, then the Iraqi officials will send out death
squads to kill off the baddies.

They also told her that they plan to keep the "militias" and use them as an arm
of the Iraqi government.

I do not think that we should be supporting this, she also said that SHE thought
it was a good idea not to cut funding for the US troops but to cut money
to the Iraqi government and to the Iraqi army.



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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:49 PM
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1. huh?
who wants who to do what?

I'm confused.:shrug:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 06:52 PM
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2. Hillary was talking about her Iraq trip
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 07:05 PM by MissWaverly
She was talking with Iraqi officials, they told her that one of the things that they
plan to do, when US brings troops to Baghdad for the "surge" is that they will send
out death squads to help restore order by killing off the baddies.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:24 PM
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4. That sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 07:25 PM by Fridays Child
Maliki has already shown that he will put anti-Sunni military leaders in charge. To send out death squads (wtf!) would be tantamount to pouring gasoline on an already raging inferno.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:47 PM
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6. I can't believe, these people are our partners
I really think we should leave now.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:13 PM
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3. freudian slip?
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Death-squad style massacres

For Iraq, "The Salvador Option" Becomes Reality
by Max Fuller
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FUL506A.html
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According to an article recently published in New York Times Magazine, in September 2004 Counsellor to the US Ambassador for Iraqi Security Forces James Steele was assigned to work with a new elite Iraqi counter-insurgency unit known as the Special Police Commandos, formed under the operational control of Iraq’s Interior Ministry (‘The Way of the Commandos’, Peter Maass, http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/resources_files/TheWay_of_the_Commandos.html ).

From 1984 to 1986 then Col. Steele had led the US Military Advisory Group in El Salvador, where he was responsible for developing special operating forces at brigade level during the height of the conflict. These forces, composed of the most brutal soldiers available, replicated the kind of small-unit operations with which Steele was familiar from his service in Vietnam. Rather than focusing on seizing terrain, their role was to attack ‘insurgent’ leadership, their supporters, sources of supply and base camps. In the case of the 4th Brigade, such tactics ensured that a 20-man force was able to account for 60% of the total casualties inflicted by the unit (Manwaring, El Salvador at War, 1988, p 306-8). In military circles it was the use of such tactics that made the difference in ultimately defeating the guerrillas; for others, such as the Catholic priest Daniel Santiago, the presence of people like Steele contributed to another sort of difference:

People are not just killed by death squads in El Salvador – they are decapitated and then their heads are placed on pikes and used to dot the landscape. Men are not just disemboweled by the Salvadoran Treasury Police; their severed genitalia are stuffed into their mouths. Salvadoran women are not just raped by the National Guard; their wombs are cut from their bodies and used to cover their faces. It is not enough to kill children; they are dragged over barbed wire until the flesh falls from their bones, while parents are forced to watch. (Cited by Chomsky, op cit.)
Evidence of Massacres

In the last few weeks, with the discovery of several mass graves in and around Baghdad, evidence of multiple extra-judicial killings has started to become much more visible, but, in fact, even a cursory review of such archives as the one compiled by Iraq Body Count (http://www.iraqbodycount.net /) reveals that mass executions have been taking place commonly in Iraq over at least the last six months. What is particularly striking is that many of those killings have taken place since the Police Commandos became operationally active and often correspond with areas where they have been deployed.

The clearest correlation is in Mosul, where the Police Commandos began operating in late October (http://www.strykernews.com/archives/2004/10/29/special_iraqi_police_commandos_continue_operations.html ). In mid-November it was reported that insurgents were conducting an offensive and had managed to drive most of the (regular) police from the city. There followed what was described as a joint counter-offensive by US forces and Police Commandos. The Police Commandos conducted raids inside the old quarter starting on 16 November in which dozens of suspects were arrested. During one such raid on a mosque and a tea shop, detainees, blindfolded and with their hands tied behind their backs, were seen being taken away by commandos (http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam/Iraqi-soldiers-found-murdered-in-Mosul/2004/11/21/1100972263000.html ). In the weeks and months that followed over 150 bodies appeared (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4105009.stm ), often in batches and frequently having obviously been executed, usually with a bullet to the head (eg. http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/iraq/?id=12147 ).

The victims are repeatedly stated to have belonged mostly to the security forces, with ‘insurgents’ blamed for conducting a campaign of intimidation. Yet, most of the bodies were dressed in civilian clothes with little in the way of identification. In the few instances in which positive identifications have been reported, these are based on flimsy evidence. For instance, in the case of nine victims described as soldiers that had been shot in the head, a US army lieutenant simply stated that a ‘unit recently moved to one of the US bases’ had ‘some guys missing’ (http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam/Iraqi-soldiers-found-murdered-in-Mosul/2004/11/21/1100972263000.html ); photographs of the victims showed them wearing civilian clothes. A blatant case of disinformation regards a group of 31 bodies ‘discovered’ by the Police Commandos in March 2005 scattered around a cemetery in western Mosul. The bodies, described by an Interior Ministry spokesman as belonging to civilians, police officers and army soldiers, were said to have been the victims of a single policeman, Shoqayer Fareed Sheet, who confessed to these and numerous other killings on a special television show conceived by founder of the Police Commandos Adnan Thavit, called Terrorism in the Hands of Justice (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23448-2005Mar10.html ). Not only does this programme break every conceivable moral and legal standard, but it is notorious for parading obviously tortured detainees who are often forced to confess to being homosexuals or paedophiles as well as murderers. ( http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:OkQ0b9q9QbkJ:uniraq.org/documents/ArabicRegionalNews22 March2005.doc+quds+press&hl=en&client=safari)

Given the extreme paucity of evidence, the lack of secure identification and the disinformation put out by the Interior Ministry, there is at least a strong possibility that many, if not all, of the extra-judicial killings in Mosul have been carried out by the Police Commandos.

Police Commandos Directly Accused

A similar, thought less complete pattern is emerging in other areas where the Commandos have been operating, notably Samarra, where bodies were recently found in nearby Lake Tharthar (http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=41936 ). However, the strongest case is currently starting to emerge in Baghdad, where a wave of killings over the last few weeks has resulted in accusations being made directly against the state security forces and specifically against the Police Commandos. The accusations revolve around three distinct massacres. On 5 May a shallow mass grave was discovered in the Kasra-Wa-Atash industrial area containing 14 bodies. The victims, all young men, had been blindfolded, their hands tied behind their backs and they had been executed with shots to the head. The bodies also revealed such torture marks as broken skulls, burning, beatings and right eyeballs removed. In this case family members were able to identify the bodies; the victims were Sunni farmers on their way to market. According to Phil Shiner of the British-based Public Interest Lawyers, the men had been arrested when Iraqi security forces raided the vegetable market (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1488096,00.html , http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=760368 ).

Less than two weeks later on 15 May, 15 more bodies were discovered at two sites in western Baghdad. Eight of the victims were found In the Al-Shaab area, while a further seven were discovered behind a mosque in Ore district (http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=733276 ). According to the Chicago Tribune, ‘some had been blindfolded, most were found with their hands bound and all had been shot in the head’ (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0505170030may17,0,3795261.story?coll=chi-newsopinionperspective-utl ). The Association of Muslim Scholars quickly responded to the wave of killings, accusing soldiers and Interior Ministry commandos of having ‘arrested imams and the guardians of some mosques, tortured and killed them, then got rid of their bodies in a garbage dump in the Shaab district’ (http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=238784&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/ ). ‘This is state terrorism by the Ministry of Interior’ said Hareth al-Dhari, secretary general of the Association (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/47613c82-c804-11d9-9765-00000e2511c8.html ). Whilst al-Dhari also blamed the Badr brigades associated with the ruling Shia coalition, the emphasis of his denunciation was quickly shifted in the mainstream press to reinforce only this aspect of the accusation and the notion of sectarian tit-for-tat violence (eg http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4569103.stm ). The Iraqi government’s riposte to the Association’s accusations was predictably insidious, with the new defence minister blaming terrorists wearing military uniforms (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0505170030may17,0,3795261.story?coll=chi-newsopinionperspective-utl ). However, it should come as little surprise to discover that at the beginning of May the government had announced an imminent counter-insurgency crackdown, which they said was likely to unleash well-trained commandos in Baghdad and other trouble spots (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8725.htm ).

Wider Evidence of Massacres

With such accusations being made specifically against US-trained counter-insurgency forces it is worth briefly mentioning some of the other massacres that have occurred in Iraq over recent months. In October 2004 some 49 bodies were discovered on a remote road about 50km south of Baquba. The victims, who wore civilian clothes, had all been shot in the head. The Interior Ministry announced that they were off-duty soldiers. Some accounts by police said the rebels were dressed in Iraqi military uniforms, although details were far from clear (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/10/24/international0921EDT0440.DTL ; http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136419,00.html ).

Similarly, in March of this year 26 bodies were discovered at Rumana, near Qaim, close to the Syrian border. According to the Interior Ministry, most of the victims were members of a rapid response team. The victims had been blindfolded, handcuffed and shot in the head. The bodies, which once again were dressed in civilian clothes, were found in an area where the US army had been conducting Operation River Blitz, a marine-led assault on insurgents in the Euphrates River valley (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136419,00.html ; http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/09/iraq.main/ ).

To further muddy the waters, the bodies of eight men from Sadr City were found in Yussufiah, 40km south of Baghdad, on 9 May this year. The victims, who had been tortured, then executed with a bullet to the back of the neck, were found wearing army uniforms, but relatives identified them as civilians. Army captain Ahmed Hussein suggested that the killers wanted people to believe they had executed soldiers (http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1701988,00.html ).

There are other similar cases of mass killings, as well as many more involving smaller numbers of bodies far too numerous to mention. Nonetheless, it is worth emphasising the many bodies (more than 100) gradually being dredged up from the River Tigris, especially around Suwayra, south of Baghdad. The bodies began to be noticed in late February of this year, surfacing at the rate of one or two a day, but began to increase in frequency in April; some of the victims, who were mostly men but included some women and children, were bound, others shot or beheaded. In April, president Talabani claimed the victims had been kidnapped by insurgents in the village of Madain, but, in fact, those identified to date hailed from a wide radius and could not be accounted for by a single episode of kidnapping. Police in Suwayra have stated that many of the victims are likely to have been stopped at impromptu checkpoints by masked men, while some Sunnis say that the victims may include people detained by the police (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/22/MNG45CDDBQ1.DTL ).

In light of these bodies in the Tigris, it may be significant to note a strange report on the website Jihad Unspun of US soldiers dumping body bags from helicopters in the Diali River in eastern Iraq during the early hours of the morning. The writer argues that the bags held the corpses of American soldiers or foreign mercenaries that the army wished to conceal from public knowledge (http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=100552&list=/home.php& ). This implausible theory leaves a very large question mark over the identity of bodies that the US army wishes to conceal and recalls the report submitted to the Brussels Tribunal, ‘Tarmiya: the Silent Agony’. This account contains first hand testimony from an agricultural worker who survived an attempted execution by a team of US special forces. He and a colleague were abducted from the farm where they worked, then taken to a secluded grove where their throats were cut. They were left for dead, but miraculously, one of them survived (http://www.brusselstribunal.org /). Whilst this account lacks corroboration and has remained anonymous to protect the identities of those involved, it remains a convincing description of the kind of long-range ‘reconnaissance’ missions that people like James Steele were conducting in Vietnam.
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Max Fuller has worked for some years as a member of the Colombia Solidarity Campaign in the UK and has read extensively on US policy and Latin America. He is the author of several reports published in the Bulletin of the Colombia Solidarity Campaign

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:52 PM
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7. thanks for your indepth write up
I find this unacceptable, we should not be involved in this, let alone be promoting this,
Congress has to step in here, right now. When Hillary mentioned death squads, it was like
she discussing the new menu item at the Olive Garden, this should not be allowed.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:14 PM
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11. I think that the world...
is a very different place than many of us had previously perceived. There is so much written, yet somehow untold, of our political system and it's uses and abuses. A book I am now reading..."America's 60 Families" by Ferdinand Lundberg, copyright 1937 is unbelievably current...the same people, the same political bullshit, the same scandals, the same global shenanigans. Our grandparents were taken for a ride, and the bus hasn't stopped yet.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:18 PM
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12. Go read my journal
there's an article about how the Republicans dropped insurance on bank deposits to
please big business thus causing the Great Depression. ah, the business of america
is business.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:10 PM
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13. It's my newest obsession...
tracking wealth. The internet is a wonderful thing, and reading history allows me to fill in the blanks of the lacking logic with historical patterns. It also, is a haven when current events get too toxic for my senses.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 10:14 PM
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14. Hey, I agree
plus there was a great deal of talk back then of the corrupt Republican "machine" that
put incompetents in power, the Republicans brought back the concept, they just made
it computerized, what brilliance, hope they are real proud of what they did to the surplus
and the country since Bill Clinton left office.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:01 PM
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10. Yes, indeed, death sqauds are really 'instruments of peace', aren't they?
:sarcasm:
The legacy of the death squads (and the American backers of same) is still a driving force in Central and South America.

So much so, that people are wary of right-wing candidates for office and present-day leaders are predominantly anti-corporatist and anti-American.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 07:27 PM
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5. It seems to me
they are just trying to kill everyone there, those that haven't been run off or fled for their lives
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 08:55 PM
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8. I don't know, but I feel that we need help badly
by other nations, things are spinning out of control into some sort of barbaric suppression
of other sects, of other political ideology, how is this different than Saddam, didn't
Bush say we were going over there to make it better for the Iraqi people.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 09:01 PM
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9. Here's the official transcript on Hillary Clinton 1/18/07
Edited on Thu Jan-18-07 09:05 PM by MissWaverly
SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, it certainly is what a number of members of his government, particularly the Shia representatives, want. They want the United States to get out of the way so they can try to exert what they view as their greater power, using their allies within the militias that are controlled by members of the parliament and the government, even unleashing the death squads, and, frankly, using elements of the Iraqi security forces who would be in favor of a sectarian outcome.

I returned from this visit -- my third -- and said, "Look, we have to cap the number of American troops, make it very clear we're not putting more American troops into this sectarian war."

We, instead, are going to set forth one last time the actions we expect from the Maliki government and, instead of cutting funding for American troops, which I do not support, because still to this day we don't have all of the equipment, the armored Humvees and the rest that our troops need, instead of cutting funding to American troops, cut the funding to the Iraqi forces and to the security forces, often private contractors that we pay for to protect the members of this government.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june07/clinton_01-18.html

I don't remember her saying things exactly like this, she mentioned the death squads
in reference to the US surge and she mentioned that the Iraqi officials told her that
they planned to keep the militias as an operational arm of the government.
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