Kerry 2012!!!!!!!!

Yep, don't think you have seen the end of Senator Kerry! You don't have him to kick around now. Nope, he won't be around in 2008 for President for all you anti-Kerry zellots to attack, but never, never count him out.
As for me, I am going to find another way to pursue the issues that are near and dear to Kerry's heart. I am convinced there won't be real party change or change of any kind until many of those who hold the power now are gone. I am going to find a way to work outside the current party structure and to be a thorn in the side of those who pander and play poltics with peoples lives.

God Bless you Senator Kerry, You are the very definition of a true statesman and patriot. The Democratic party could do with just about fifty other senators just like you.

Kerry 2012, yep! till then you won't have him to bash anymore.

Kerry 2008 had a much better ring to it :(

the Democratic nominee for President is the next President of the United States..No doubt..This year is even more definite than the election of 1932..This President has guaranteed that a Democrat will occupy the White House as of Jan 20 2009..
Kerry had much more to factor n his decision this time with his Senate race..What really aggravates me is that he won in 2004 and the Republicans once again were able to change the course of history with the 2004 election theft that will take a generation to mend.

It is a good and honorable thing that he has decided to stay where he is most needed.

To me (and many of us) JK was a once-in-a-generation "golden" Prez. choice...that sadly many never TRULY understood.

I realize JK wishes to retain his Senate seat, but if he does NOT run NOW...he almost certainly will NOT run in 2012. Campaigning schedules are gruelling, and the older a candidate gets, the more one naturally hesitates...particularly if one's Prez-campaigned before exhaustively (at a younger age).

The reality of which makes me overwhelmingly sad.

Guess I won't be voting in '08. Took me 20+ years to find a candidate I truly believed in, and JK was THAT for me. (Sigh. Politics" in the 'real' world.)

They probably never will. Even the county Dems I meet with every month. One in particular keeps spouting RW points at me about how Kerry never sponsored bills and such. I could just slap her sometimes.

Kerry was my first real candidate. The first one I ever properly worked for. I'll vote in 08, but I have no fucking clue for whom I will be voting.

Meanwhile, I will continue to have Sen. Kerry's back, wherever he decides to go. If I get a call, I will donate. I will sign his petitions. I will suggest his name for AG or SoS. The fact that he's not running for president doesn't mean I am no longer a supporter of his. I reckon I always will be.

But if not, I am with you...

I would also not recommend anyone kick a marble statue, it's a very painful experience.

maybe we will, but I am throwing my support to Kerry now.

Maybe you should rethink your longterm political strategy.

The rule of law, not men.

This is worship of another human being, and it's the kind of stuff that gets us into monarchies and personality cults.

Hate to sy it, but Kerry is done as far as being a U.S. president is concerned.

Though it saddens me to say so.

I wish he would have ran again :(

We cannot afford 4 more years of a GOP administration.

However, let me tell you that the attitude of some Clinton's supporters today (or self-claimed Clinton supporters) do not help Kerry supporters accept the idea she may be the nominee easily. This may explain a few of the excessive threads you have seen.

And in 2016 Kerry will be 73 years old!

I'll believe it when I see it!

Hillary doesn't have any better chance then anyone. She has a VERY uphill climb. Ready for the climb? Don't fall!

Why does she have to have henchmen out there hacking away at opponents, if she is best prepared?

Keep buying into NATIONAL polls a YEAR away. Believe the media hype.

Please do.

She has a better chance than John Kerry!

Attack someone who isn't even in the race at all, and take shots at his supporters. Nice. Great arguement you bring.

Tell me what those polls in the states that matter for 08' say?

:)

I am for Hillary too but that was unnecessary.

who supports America, and whats best for America!

Hillary Clinton isn't whats best for America. She has no better of a chance then Obama or Edwards does, and the only thing you can use to say otherwise is point to NATIONAL polls showing her 'leading'

Tell me, who is leading where it matters? Wasn't Hillary fourth in one? If my memory serves correctly....

To withstand, and indeed thrive, as the result of the sleaze thrown at Presidential candidates by the Republicans...having had to deal with it for 16 years. Every time they attack, she gets stronger...no current candidate in the race as anywhere near the experience Hillary has had with this...and given the poor campaigns run by Kerry, Gore and of course Dukakis, this experience is vital.

Current polls only tell you who is leading now...says nothing about 21 months from now...I never claimed it did. However, she is currently well ahead in national polls, the only Democrat leading both McCain and Guiliani. The poll that showed her fourth was in Iowa, where she has not campaigned...and even still was tied with the Governor of that state, and only 8 points behind leader Edwards...

As I recall Dean was leading in Iowa up to the end four years ago...so we will see...

However, if you wish to bury your head in the sand and convince yourself Hillary is not popular with Democrats, be my guest, it will make her road to the White House all the easier!

who will vote against her. I don't you need worry about 2012. She isn't even going to make 2008.

which was very offensive. Now that Kerry has chosen not to run, you continue to stir it up!!

This is not productive!

Have you ever considered Kerry for a cabinet position in 2008, instead of bashing other people's favored cadidate's?

Why not try to listen to other people's opinion's that are different from yours, they have very valid and insightful POV's?

I don't believe anyone here hates Kerry, they are just tired of the 1-sided debate and flames.

That said, she has made a lot of promises to a lot of people just to get their support. I don't hold out hope for an appointment for Kerry. I don't think he does either. She is a politician through and through and only a shell of a person. And, you are mistaken if you don't think people here hate Kerry, they do.

I do listen to others POV. I have listened enough to Hillary to know I don't like her as a person and as a leader.

Kerry threads, I am able to view them through a neutral eye, and see both sides.

My observation has been that you are sometimes blinded by your complete bias for Kerry that you fail to hear the other side. This has not served your cause well.

Ask yourself, what have you accomplished? You have made no converts in your effort, of course it is irrelevent now, but, IMO you really need to work on your approach with people.

Do you want an actual dialogue with people or do you just want to jam your point of view down our throats?

I have never seen you talk of Kerry's responsibility for his own mistakes. It's always someone else's fault.
You lose credibility when you take on that "Kerry can do no wrong" attitude. You are seen as a zealot because there seems to be no objectivity.

And I still believe people do not hate Kerry, they just hate all the bickering, but, you are entitled to your own POV.

I know you are feeling disappointed now, as many people are, but life goes on and I hope you will focus your energy and very impressive commitment on more positive goals for our party.

And as far as Hillary goes, I think most of us know where you stand on her. When you are feeling better, I hope you will try to keep an open mind!

people claim. I have grave concerns about another Clinton run. I also had my concerns about her cemented when she was the only candidate to come out and stab Kerry in the back when she knew damn well what he meant. She played right into the republican hands. Sorry, but I see that as selfish self-interest.
Yes, I have made my opinions of Senator Clinton known and I have no intentions of voting for her and intend on working against her election in the primaries. I am in a position to have some influence over voters.
I will however, not say another thing about her in DU. I have said all I intend too.
I will maintain an open mind about other candidates, but Clinton will not be one of them.

"botched joke" issue, but I have a feeling you will not.

Wisteria, why are you so angry, please let it go.........

I'm sorry you feel the way you do about Hillary, but it's okay, I know you are not alone.

Whomever you choose to support, I hope that you do not denegrate other favored candidates to make your point, it just creates bad blood and serves no useful purpose.

I'm curious....what did you mean when you said "you had influence on voters"?

BTW, I like your Anne Frank quote!

Hopefully we'll have a good Democratic President we can all support running for reelection in 2012. Threads like this are not the way to go.

We all wish John Kerry were President.

But it's time to focus on 2008. I will still support John Kerry, and love the big guy. But 2008 is very important.

I don't agree with it, but I understand and respect it wisteria!

Kerrycrat hug? I could use one right about now!

:grouphug:

Just because some of us didn't think Kerry should be the nominee in 2008 doesn't make us zellots or even zealots.

and his legacy as one of the best US Senators we have. JK has come to terms with the 04 loss it is time we all do. :(

It's very sad he isn't President.

President Kerry just was something we always wanted, us Kerrycrats that is.

This is hard, but unfortunately Kerry won't be President. It's very important we win in 2008!

the 04 loss devestated me. President Kerry would have been an amazing step forward for America but the party has others who can step up to the challenge. Wish JK the best, it just wasn't meant to be. >>lifelong kerrycrat<<

Or maybe just chocolate shoes.. :hug:

:grouphug:

Gore is the only other person potentially for 2008 with that same aura. Edwards is missing something for me. I don't quite know it yet.

Well, sort of...

With your proto-laser and titanium plating, you'll beat Romney-bot to pieces in whatever blasted electoral hellscape my grandchildren inherit.

But seriously, Kerry is as much a part of the Democratic machine you're going to singlehandedly disassemble as Hillary, Obama, or Biden, so Good Luck and Godspeed, dewd.

This is so discouraging. Thanks wisteria for a ray of hope.

Unfortunately the same is not true today.