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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 06:53 PM
Original message
Poll question: Should Gen. Wes Clark run for the Nomination in your opinion?
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 06:55 PM by FrenchieCat
First PLEASE Watch this short footage from today.....
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/10691

Once you get there, just click on the photo....



You might also want to read this...if you want to...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=235x9070

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 06:54 PM
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1. I would like him in since Kerry isn't running
and Gore.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 06:55 PM
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2. Yes, Clark should.
America could probably use the General :patriot:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 06:56 PM
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3. oK Y'all........I'm asking you to watch that tape.......
cause he's talking about just that here...

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:01 PM
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4. Damn, I wish they'd had that conversation
about the economy.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:02 PM
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5. Hopefully they will......
At least Cavuto spoke the truth for once.....Wes Clark did well in '04....just didn't have the time! :(
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:04 PM
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6. After today? YES
Not that I wouldn't have supported his voice in the debate before, but now that my heart's been broken, I have to hope that ONE serious candidate with integrity will emerge... :(
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:08 PM
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9. Well, I decided to put this poll up.....cause there are many in the media
saying "TOO LATE"....and I'm wondering why it is just now too late...and what "real" people thought...since I know what the media thinks cause they are telling it to all of us already! :eyes:

Know what I mean?
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Pierogi_Pincher Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:16 PM
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30.  Can go suck a big lemon.
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 07:20 PM by Pierogi_Pincher
Who in tarnation are they to decide that it's too late for anyone to jump in. I really don't *listen* to them anymore, except to hear weather reports, and they're not accurate either.

The hub told me that JFK announced his running the January of election year? (Is that about right?)

P_P

***RUN WES!***
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:10 PM
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17. Ah, WEL
Come 'ere, hon :pals:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:03 AM
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90. I understand the broken heart. I got one in 2004
When Clark withdrew from the race. Two days later I was pulling myself off of the mat and pulling in behind John Kerry. It's not easy to make that type of shift, even when you know that there still is another candidate with integrity to support. Hang in there. John Kerry will increasingly be an even greater leader for the Democratic Party in the U.S. Senate. We are fortunate to have that at least, and actually that is a lot. What is it about the state that voted for McGovern? It keeps sending great Liberal leaders for America to the U.S. Senate.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:04 PM
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7. these guys would support a run...





left to right Hashim Thaci, UCK (KLA) leader, ethnic cleanser

Bernard Kouchner, UN Administrator of Kosovo

Gen. Sir Michael Jackson, KFOR Commander

Agim Ceku, Commander of KPC ethnic cleasner


http://www.mbruce.addr.com/clarkatborders.htm

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:06 PM
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:08 PM
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10. defending a war criminal? would Kerry approve? nt.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:09 PM
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13. War criminal? HA!
Maybe you and Jerome Corsi can get a book deal!
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:10 PM
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16. how about Amnesty International? them too? nt.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #16
40. dude, you aren't helping the conversation
please bring it down a notch ....
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. how do i tone down war crimes? nt.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:30 PM
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46. General Clark led the campaign to STOP ethnic cleansing.
I think you are being terribly unfair. You are doing precisely what some of the more ardent Kerry supporters did and that is turn people AWAY from the candidate you support. Please stop.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:31 PM
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48. is Amnesty International full of crap on the war crimes then? nt.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:38 PM
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54. I am a card-carrying ACLU member
and I don't agree on everything they do either (like defending NAMBLA).

To answer your question, yes, I think AI is being a bit harsh.

Clinton gets slammed for not intervening in Rwanda and gets slammed for intervening in Bosnia/Kosovo, and that dichotomy is bullshit in my opinion. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. there are specific examples...
have you read the report? or do you just think it is so?

there are other groups that say the same.

you are entitled to your opinion.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:03 PM
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64. Hillary Clinton disagrees with you.
On March 21, 1999, Hillary expressed her views by phone to the President: “I urged him to bomb.” The Clintons argued the issue over the next few days. what-ifs: What if bombing promoted more executions? What if it took apart the NATO alliance? Hillary responded, “You cannot let this go on at the end of a century that has seen the major holocaust of our time. What do we have NATO for if not to defend our way of life?” The next day the President declared that force was necessary.
Source: Hillary’s Choice by Gail Sheehy, p. 345 Dec 9, 1999
Cited here: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Kosovo.htm


Is she a "war criminal" too? How can you support her, given your opinion on this?
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Lol..thank you Sparkly! n/t
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. i disagree with Ms. Clinton on Clarks war crimes...
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 08:13 PM by k_jerome
I side with Amnesty International on that point.

Clinton did not urge him to target civilians. as he deliberately and knowingly did.

we all have diagreements with our candidates. just as i am sure you do not agree with Clarks bombing of civilian passenger trains.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. Your information is out of date.
And your interpretation of it mostly incorrect.

The train wasn't the target. The bridge was. That's legal. So was the radio tower. Clark never targeted civilians, but he did target facilities where civilians are present. That's legal too.

Every single target list was approved by every single NATO nation. The rules of engagement were approved by Clinton himself (as well as the other NATO leaders).

Clark submitted to UN authority. Their war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia absolved him of any criminal wrong-doing. Human Rights Watch actually commended the relatively small number of civilian casualties thanks to Clark's management of the war.

Those are the facts. I doubt you're interested.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. Wasn't there proof that just recently came out that the radio station
had been warned numerous times before the building was struck. Something really recent? I believe so.....I'll have to find that. Do you remember what I am talking about Jai?
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. i will stick with Amnesty International...you stick with your boy...
that is the nature of politics.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:45 PM
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73. Found it!
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 08:46 PM by FrenchieCat
Serbian authorities were informed about RTS bombing beforehand
Belgrade, 16:11

Recently deceased Serbian and Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic had deliberately sacrificed 16 journalists killed in the building of the National Broadcaster RTS during NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia.

This is stated in the book "Aberdar's Silence" authored by Zoran Janic and issued by Belgrade-based publishing house "Dan Grafa". The book contains evidence accounts on the involvement of the, then, top Serbian officials, SCG Army and RTS executives in the bombing of the building, aimed at winning the propaganda war against the International Community.

The book cites official records dating a few days prior to the attack, such is "the death toll would be acceptable with respect to the achieved propaganda effect."

"The documents and confirmed witnesses' testimonies leave no doubt that the Commander of Allied Forces for Europe, General Wesley Clark had notified Milosevic in due time on NATO's intention to bomb the building of RTS", reads Janic's book.

"The top men in RTS were Milosevic's closest aides. During the attack, they were hiding in the vicinity of the RTS building, in order to appear at the scene immediately after the blast and broadcast the material which was to deliver the final blow to the international community", the book further says.

Besides Dragoljub Milanovic, the general director of RTS at the time, who is the only convicted thus far, his assistant Jovan Ristic, RTS Secretary Dusan Jakovljevic, and editors Milorad Komrakov, Tatjana Lenard and Dusan Vojvodic had information of the imminent attack, the book reads.

"The Army knew about the impending attack three days ahead", Janic alleges in his book. He quotes a man, claiming he had witnessed a conversation between Slobodan Milosevic's son Marko and Major-General Aleksandar Bakocevic, which took place in a restaurant in Pozaravec a day ahead of the attack. According to his source, the interlocutors agreed that "the number of victims would be acceptable comparing with the propaganda effect", reads "Aberdar's Silence".

Makfax Independent News Agency
http://www.makfax.com.mk/look/agencija/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=1&NrArticle=20178&NrIssue=441&NrSection=20

I will have to get Janic's book!

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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Now, now. No bringing documented facts into the conversation.
We're much more comfortable with hearsay and rumors! :)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. I've always been partial to
innuendo and double entendre with fava beans and nice chianti
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #78
89. I love innuendo!
:)
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #64
84. FWIW Sparkly
I very much doubt that the poster in question is a Hillary supporter. If you know what I mean.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. Yup -- kinda my point.
I'm reminded of a past "Edwards supporter" and a "Mosely-Braun supporter."
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #10
42. K_j.... cut it out...
You've been on your best behavior for.. ... at least 3 hours.

Back in ya go --->
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. minor or major? nt.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Who's that?
Never mind. Could only be one of 2 people, both universally not welcomed . LOL!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #12
19. Even with the new "block" feature eliminated, "ignore" is still nice to have.
Some folks just beg for it... ;)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. Yep....that will be missed....that feature
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 07:16 PM by FrenchieCat
Now I see why they came up with the idea to begin with.....whatever the disavantages were, the advantages will be missed!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #19
43. Unfortunately, I like watching people make idiots out of themselves...
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 07:27 PM by zulchzulu
Pass the popcorn. This Jerome guy is a classic drunk... he makes any other Hillary supporters here embarrassed and provides a great cause to turn people off to her candidacy. I figure this post is good for at least a few more embarrassing Jerome threads...

:popcorn:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #7
18. K.Jerome, your post has absolutely convinced me...
...that you're a hack.

But that's okay, I'm a hack, too.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:12 PM
Original message
thats hacksaw. nt.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:13 PM
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25. Proud of that?
You are really helping Senator Clinton's case for wanting to be President.

Maybe you should contact her campaign and see if they are interested in hacking at Clark??

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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. how 'bout Amnesty International. they hacking too. lol. nt.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #7
26. Two can play this game, chump
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 07:17 PM by zulchzulu


You can support HIllary better by trying to perhaps explain why it would be a good idea to make burning an American flag a federal crime, as she supports this wonderful policy...
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. i liked the other one better. why change it? fear? lol. nt.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Hey, there are plenty to choose from...believe me...you'll see them soon enough...
...everywhere.

You're a just a tad cocky a year away from the primaries. Obviously, you're a little inexperienced in the world of politics.

But hey, keep embarrassing the Hillary Clinton cause. Nobody's stopping you. We need more supporters of her like you to firmly make sure she ISN'T the nominee.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. well, this thread is about the generalisimo....
so i comment on him and the allegations that he is a war criminal. sorry you don't like to hear that. feel free to respond with the other picture.

or be scared.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Are you sure poster "I have not idea what he is saying" guy
is really supporting Hillary? Are there any positive threads on Hillary started by such poster?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. I'd like this guy to start a thread why he supports Mrs. Clinton's flag burning policy
Making the burning of an American flag a federal crime...wow...now that's something to wave into somebody's face... who cares about the First Amendment anyways...
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. start a thread on it. nt.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. She's your candidate...tell us why it's a great idea...
(sound of crickets)
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. off topic in this thread, and since you refuse to discuss...
the generalisimos war crimes, start a thread.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #45
57. I'd like to know when she declared her husband and the General "war criminals."
Oh wait...
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #57
62. Yeah, wasn't Clark serving under Clinton at the time he commited
these so-called "war crimes"? How does calling him a war criminal boost Hillary's chances?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Yes, President Clinton was in office.
I wonder what Senator Clinton's stance on his "war crimes" is... Hm... :freak:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #26
87. I highly doubt that this one is a Hillary supporter.
Most likely a Hillary opponent trying to make her look as bad as possible. I'm not buying it, and I'm not falling for it. I object to Hillary's candidacy for other reasons, but the behavior of this clown plays no role whatsoever in that opinion. My guess is that he's happily counting off the number of people whose opinion of Hillary he thinks he's influencing.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
79. Photo was taken prior to Madlic was accused of any crimes.......
Clark was there for purpose of collecting information negotiations while he was negotiating Peace in Bosnia. Notice only three stars on his collar.

That would be circa 1995. Madlic was called for his crimes in 1996.

Clark believes in talking to our enemies and so he did. He is consistent.

You on the other hand cannot support Hillary and yet denounce Clark. This does not compute in the world of reason.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #7
81. I'd tell you to go Cheney yourself but,
you probably already did that.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
85. Welcome to my ignore list.
Your trolling of Clark threads and posting of Clark flamebait is so puerile and crude, that it really isn't worth engaging or bothering with trying to refute. Your presence is frankly just a waste of my space, though I'm sure I will continue to be entertained by the responses of people who do choose to engage you.

I'm sorry that they got rid of the block feature, as you would have been an ideal candidate for it, but ce'st la vie. Bye. :hi:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:13 AM
Response to Reply #7
94. ruh-roh
:popcorn:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:09 PM
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11. Is it just me, or did Clark not sound like a candidate-to-be acting coy there?
Normally he puts off these questions in a way that makes me go "Yep, he's in."

His reiteration that "I care more about policy" sounds almost like he's seeing just how steep a climb a run against the Clinton-Obama-Edwards noise machines would be. I did NOT like watching that video.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. I have no audio. Would you please explain?
?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #20
52. Clark is talking to cavuto about '04 and whether he will or will not run in '08
and what is important to him.

There should be a transcript momentarily. Wes Folks are good about that!

:hi:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. Thanks, Frenchie!
I depend on transcripts. One of these days I'll get around to getting this computer fixed. ;-)
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #53
98. Transcript...
Here's the full transcript....

Poor General wanted to talk about the SOTU, the mess in the Middle East, the economy, where this country is heading....but the putz Cavuto didn't want to go there...only wanted to talk about '08. Too bad, because although he was a lot more cordial to Clark than usual, I kind of enjoy when he tries to go after Clark and Wes takes him apart. Some of my favorite Clark Fox appearances are when he's on with Cavuto. Cavuto unwittingly gives the General so many opportunities to take apart right wing talking points and he looks like such a fool.

Anyway, the transcript:

Neil Cavuto: Massachusetts Senator John Kerry announcing today that he will not be running for President after all. He was pretty good on the internet. We're at that point now where it's a bigger story when someone (laughing) says he's not going to be running for the White House. At last count, by the way, 20 hopefuls officially in or forming exploratory committees with more, I am sure, to come, and believe it or not my next guest could be why. You know, General Wesley Clark entered the '04 race late in the game when most of the money was already spoken for, but he did so well and startled so many skeptics so quickly that many have argued had he entered in earlier, it might have been a different scenario. Maybe, General Clark, I think others have looked at that and said, 'I don't want to make that mistake.' What do you think?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think the, the record of recent campaigns is that people like to get in early. They like to get the donor base established. They like to hire the right staff and so forth. I really am, am not into that. I, I'm a, more of a policy person, Neil, and, and what I believe is that you, you have- running is about carrying a message to the American people, and I think when I ran last time, it was a little bit early, I- it was, for people to understand what a disaster the President's strategy in Iraq was.

Neil Cavuto: But, but you know, General, people could agree or disagree with what you said then, what you say now, but I, I really think your, your campaign at the time - I think you declared in September of '03, so just months before Iowa effectively - and, and you created a great deal of buzz, but all the money was essentially spoken for and divided between the Howard Deans and the John Kerrys, to a lesser extent the, the John Edwards, and you really didn't have a chance. And I'm wondering whether other prominent Democrats this go round have said, 'I don't want to be out-Wesley-ed.'

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: No, I don't think anybody has used those (laughing) terms, but I think you're- You know, I, I think it's nice of you to say I created a lot of buzz when I came in. I, I was very happy. We, w- I went to 30 states in 90 days. We raised 20 million dollars. There just wasn't time to do everything that needed to be done, and I'd never had the experience of running before. So, it was a great experience for me. I loved doing it, but mostly it was about taking a message to the American People, and Neil, I would tell you right now if you look at the response to last night's State of the Union address, you look at what's happening in the United States Congress, this is not partisan. The American people have spoken. They have looked at it. We, as the American people, what President Bush said last night is, "Nobody voted to go over there and lose." That's true, but nobody went over there with the understanding that this was going to be the kind of problem that it's turned out to be.

Neil Cavuto: But let me ask you, General, regardless of views on the war - and I could speak to you forever about that - on this idea of 20 people already in the race or all but declaring that they're in the race and we have another couple of years to go, what do you think about that?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think, I hope a lot of the American people'll be interested in this. You know, not everybody in America follows Fox News or CNN or hangs onto what political reporters say, and when I travel across America, I'm always, I, I talk to people in every airport. I travel by public transportation, and people come up to me all the time, and a lot of people just, they don't follow politics that closely. So, I think if people get energized by the fact a lot of people are in the race, and people are saying, 'Gee, what makes them different? What are they saying?' I think that's good, because I think Democracy-

Neil Cavuto: Well, are you running? Are you going to run?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: -is about that communication. Well, I haven't made a decision on that yet. I haven't said I won't run, but for me it's about the message. I'm very concerned about where this country's heading-

Neil Cavuto: Okay.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: -strategically. We're not taking America forward the way we should be.

Neil Cavuto: Alright, General.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: We're bogged down in the Middle East, Neil, and I'd love to pursue the points you covered with Tony Snow on the economy.

Neil Cavuto: We will. We will. General, it's good to have you.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: You can have me back on, and it's do it.

Neil Cavuto: Done done, you'll have to wear a pink tie though.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: (laughs)

Neil Cavuto: General Wesley Clark, thank you very much.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Thank you Neil.

http://securingamerica.com/node/2168

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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:02 PM
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99. Oh, and here's hoping....
you get your computer fixed soon....I'd be lost without these audio and video files provided by WesPAC and online Clarkies.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:13 PM
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23. I don't think he has earnestly decided......but he's getting there...
and that if he does decide, knowing the obstacles that the media has set before him, he'll have to do it, not only in hopes he wins, but also in hopes that he can make a difference in the debate.

He sees only one person that is versed in "real" hand-on foreign policy experience running...and another one that sleeps with a person who's versed on hand-ons foreign policy issues. In other words, if he does this, his purpose is not based on what he would get out of it personally, beyond the satisfaction that his ideas would be part of the dialogue.

I think that's good....and I think that's an honest reason to run.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:09 PM
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14. And...
why not? :party:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:10 PM
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15. Absolutely!
He was my candidate in '04 and I've been hoping to be able to campaign for him again. No offense to the other fine candidates -- there are some great people, and I'd be happy to support most of them -- but Wes Clark is an amazing guy. We need him.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:12 PM
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21. Clark/Webb.
That's unrealistic since we just voted Webb in as our senator. He sure did kick butt last night.

Yes, I would like for Clark to announce. I would like for Gore to announce. These two people will help me determine who I will ultimately work for and contribute to.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:12 PM
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22. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In my opinion, if Clark enters the race, it will have a huge impact. There isno one with his foreign policy experience, no one with his leadership experience, no one with his diplomatic experience, no one with his military experience, no one with his bi-partisan appeal - no one, . . . He is a national treasure and we need him, period.:patriot:



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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:13 PM
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24. Of course he should run. I 'm surprised that there is even a question about it. n/t
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:14 PM
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28. I love the sound of General Clark in the morning, it sounds like victory!
Clark is a man's man that will siphon white male votes from the GOP
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:18 PM
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32. I think it would have been nice to wait a day or so.
Don't you.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:22 PM
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35. From the way the media is talking, Clark doesn't have another day.....
So I figured I'd find out today how the DU community felt about that, just in case tomorrow is the drop dead deadline.

Do you mind? :shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:25 PM
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39. Hey, go ahead and rub the salt in the wounds today.
I was thinking about some others here.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:32 PM
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50. I don't personally know if you ever think of "others"......
But I also know that today is not a funeral, ya know. No one died. there is much work to be done, and it will be done. Disappointment is not measured by silence...it is measured giving respect and admiration.....for which I have a tremendous amount for John Kerry, if that is what you are alluding to?

I would just hope that you are in those threads in where folks are not being as respectful as they should be to John Kerry and his supporters.....kicking a little ass....that's where I'm hoping you are.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:43 PM
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56. No, I never think of "others"...just myself.
I don't think anyone else has rights, just me.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:46 PM
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58. So are you out there kicking ass on the haters?.....or just in here....
talking about what I should and shouldn't do?

Ah yes...Search is my friend! I forgot about that! let's see.....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:47 PM
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59. You want to play that game? Do you really?
?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:53 PM
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60. Nope....I don't
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 07:58 PM by FrenchieCat
But three comments in reference is kind of "minimalist" for one who "cares" so much, wouldn't you say? Two posts of few words, and one very, very long post agreeing with Poster who has infected this thread...who started a vile thread which was locked.....and in that thread you are agreeing with whatever he said. Can't read what he said, which is most likely just as well...

So Nope, I think we'd both prefer Not to go there.

But as for you and your "concerns", please have a blessed day! :hi:
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:45 PM
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86. It's ok, Madfloridian
I think the sooner we move on, the better. I doubt Senator Kerry would want his supporters like me to brood when there is important work to be done and important decisions to be made. I'm glad people are thinking about us, though. FrenchieCat already made a very nice post in the Kerry group, and I think we can all be friends.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:39 AM
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92. Have you been also commenting
on threads where posts like this are made?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3074948&mesg_id=3075009

There have been some very direct pitches made at John Kerry supporters today. That is just one example, and to be honest I don't think it was ever intended to be in poor taste, and I don't think most Kerry supporters took it as being in bad taste either. None the less I am sensitive about it, and I did comment, both on that thread and others. Here is what I wrote on that one:


"I wish Kerry's supporters some quiet within which to feel their loss"

I hope supporters of other Presidential candidates back off and let those who supported John Kerry simply feel now what has to be painful to them, and come to grips with it on their own terms before being courted by others.

Johm Kerry is a fine man and a good leader who would make a great President I have no doubt. I felt this type of loss in 2004 when the man who I wanted to be Presdient said it wasn't going to happen that year. It's a hollow sense that something vital is missing and can't be replaced.

I have looked to and counted on John Kerry to be a progressive leader for the Democratic Party in the United States Senate since returning to it after the 2004 election. He is doing excellent and important work there, and I know he will continue to do so now, unburdened by the time constraints that running for President brings with it. We need strong leadership in the Senate now that we are in the majority, and I count on John Kerry to help provide that, especially with so many other Senators now focused on the White House. I hope John Kerry's dedicated and numerous supporters on Democratic Underground and elsewhere will take some solace and comfort from that."


Far as I can see this thread we are on now never made a specific pitch to supporters of John Kerry or anyone else, though like I show above, that has in fact been going on here on DU today. I hope your sensitivity about this matter extends beyond commenting on it only on threads that mention Wes Clark in the subject header.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:25 PM
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97. Very good points, Tom
It never occurred to me that this thread had anything at all to do with John Kerry until madFL brought it up. I still doubt Frenchie had any such intention.

But it strikes me as at least ironic that Kerry's supporters are the only ones who didn't have to go thru the feeling last time around. Yes, it must have been crushing for them when Kerry lost the general, but we all shared that loss together. I know of no real Democrat who wasn't stunned and horrified when Ohio was called for Bush.

I don't mean that as a slam on Kerry, who would have been an outstanding president, or on his supporters who have very good reasons for standing with him.

I say it only remembering how I felt when Clark dropped out in 04. Perhaps I should have seen it coming, but I really didn't until his speech in Memphis the night before. It was a gut-wrenching experience, not at all unlike the grieving process one goes thru with the death of a loved one, and not something any of us got over in a day, or a month, or for some even longer.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:50 PM
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80. some are always unhappy when Clark's name is raised
some don't seem to like it one bit. not one bit at all. and it's sad. so sad.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:18 PM
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33. I'd be disappointed if Wes didn't run
Edited on Wed Jan-24-07 07:31 PM by zulchzulu
He has just as much street cred as Biden, Dodd and others, if not the whole pack that are running...
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:25 PM
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38. If he's willing to accept the VP spot, YES!
Anyone who wants to be around at the end ought to be willing to jump into the meat grinder. This is cajone time.

* I am for Clark 1st, but I am almost certain Clinton will get the nomination.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 07:56 PM
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61. Absolutely! He should run.
This race is crying for leadership and integrity.

First we lost Feingold, now Kerry. We really need Clark's voice.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:21 PM
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67. He'll break my heart if he doesn't run.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:28 PM
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69. This man is Honorable
And just what this Country needs and terribly lacking in Washington, whats more His past experience and direct responsibility to our Sons and Daughters in the Military.
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Conscious Confucius Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:31 PM
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70. Without Kerry, he's tied for my new number two with John Edwards
That being said, my number 1 is Al Gore. I would gladly support the General.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:57 PM
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74. Clarke, Edwards and Obama,
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:57 PM
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75. For now, the more hats in the ring the merrier - and I like Clark's hat.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:23 PM
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82. I like Clarks stars!
And he puts stars in my eyes to boot.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:47 AM
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96. And I like Clark Bars!
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rep the dems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:32 PM
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77. Absolutely. I'd be thrilled to see him win the Presidency! nt
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:26 PM
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83. For further reading
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JeremyWestenn Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:05 AM
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91. No. Clinton FTW. nt
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:56 AM
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93. What does "Clinton FTW" mean?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:42 AM
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95. Yes, yes, and HELL, YES.
General Clark? Yoo hoo? The race just got a lot scarier...I don't want to vote for anyone else now.
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