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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:42 PM
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In retrospect, how in the hell did Ned Lamont lose?
To an outright Iraq war hawk and in Connecticut too!

I watched a show about Lieberman/Lamont race on C-Span about a month ago and came away with nothing but a bunch of facts and figures.

Now that the emotional feelings have faded, maybe I am becoming cynical.

I don't think people really care about the Iraq war nor the loss of our soldiers in this failed war, unless it can be used as a political advantage.

Congress is doing NOTHING to end the war and save our soldiers lives.

65 of our soldiers have been killed since the 110th Congress has been sworn in.

Congress now seems to be happy to "stay the course" and this will be shown to be the case when Congress approves the 2008 Iraq supplemental in a few weeks.

What the hell is going on here?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:52 PM
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1. Some Democrats & almost all Republicans in CT voted for Lieberman. That's how.
Lieberman's plan to suck up to Republicans worked like a charm. The Repuke candidate in CT hardly got any votes.
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:58 PM
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3. But Lieberman also sucked up ...
a lot of our fellow Democrats, I saw something like 33% of his total votes were from Democrats.

Maybe the Iraqi war and our soldier lives really don't mean crap to people.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:41 PM
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6. 36% of Democrats, almost 60% of independents....
And Republicans...


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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 07:57 PM
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2. 1. The Repubs backed lieb
2. Lieb said "no one wants to end the war more than I do."
3. Other issues with Lieb(sub base, seniority, power & influence in congress, vis a vis pork politics.
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:04 PM
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4. If Democrats had stayed with the Party and against the Iraqi war ...
Lieberman would have been crushed.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:37 PM
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10. if the Rs had actually gotten behind their candidate
Lieb would have finished third as he would have had no voting base.
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:07 PM
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5. crossover voting. n/t
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:46 PM
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7. All the Republics voted for him, most of the Indies and too many Democrats.
It's disgusting what happened there.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:48 PM
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8. 33% of Democrats and 55-60% of Independents along with...
90% of the Republic party, that's how. Had we gotten some real support from the national party, we could have consolidated the Democratic vote and brought the Indie vote down to no more than 50%, Lamont could have won by 3%. A plurality, just like Lieberman, but the other way around.

Instead of:
Lieberman: 48%
Lamont: 40%
Schlesinger: 11%

Would have been:

Lieberman: 43%
Lamont: 46%
Schlesinger: 11%
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:56 PM
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11. No, I thought I heard ...
that 1/3 of Lieberman's votes were Democrats. That makes it:

Lamont: 56%
Lieberman: 32%

Maybe someone here can find what Lieberman said about this shortly after the election?
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harveyc Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:48 PM
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15. Ok, found Lieberman vote makeup ...
As it was ...

Lieberman: 50%
Lamont: 40%
ASS: 10%

Lieberman's total votes were made up of 33% Dem. votes making it w/o Dem. votes ...

Lamont: 57%
Lieberman: 33%
ASS: 10%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/CT/S/01/epolls.0.html
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 08:49 PM
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9. this was an important race for them- mc cain said the other
day- the november election wasn't a referendum on the war. if it was, ned lamont would have won.
they knew this would be their talking point, and they made it so.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:57 PM
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12. Someone advised his campaign to back off and take a vacation...
and it was not Tom Swan. Someone advised it would be better not to attack Lieberman head on right away. And Lieberman hit the ground running and starting being just enough anti-war.

Lamont is still doing speeches. I just saw where he gave an anti-Iraq speech this week. We have not seen the last of him.

Lieberman will keep us from getting out of Iraq with the help of just enough New Dems to "reach across the aisle."

Too many Democrats supported Joe Lieberman in the general election.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:03 PM
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13. The Senate Democratic leadership betrayed Lamont.
They didn't punish those Democratic Senators who violated party loyalty and openly campaigned for Lieberman in the fall. They tole Lamont to wait for a few weeks before campaigning hard against Lieberman in the fall. Basically, Reid and co. decided to stick it to the netroots for daring to defy their will.

That, and the bullshit "it's antisemitic to vote against Joe" meme worked just well enough.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 11:09 PM
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14. I weep for all the innocent Iranians we may kill by our evil leaders intentions.
Why doesn't Congress give a damn?

BTW a ground war with Iran will NOT be a cake-walk. They are younger and an attack will fire up a nationalistic fervor for decades. Don't delude yourself that bombing suspected nuclear facilities will put the moderates on our side to crush the hard-liners ... quite the opposite.

Dammit, beyond all else, I wish those INSANE bastards in the Executive Branch could be made to realize that IRAN has a kick-ass Army and lots of our beloved children's blood will be spilled. And for what? For the damn military industrial complex's continued war profiteering. :(
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:24 AM
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16. Joe Lieberman is a formidable foe, simple as that
I don't like the man, but he's a shrewd politician and he's well connected.
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