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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 02:30 PM
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Mike Gravel - did you hear what he said?
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 02:56 PM by welshTerrier2
here's a link to Mike Gravel's speech at the "DNC's Winter Meeting": http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/02/mike_gravel_vid_1.php

"Who the hell is Mike Gravel?" you might ask. "What's the point of listening to someone who can't possibly win?" you might think.

I don't agree with every word Gravel said. But I'll tell you, he was damned impressive. He spoke about things that need to be said and need to be heard by the American people. He spoke truth to power. He said things that go beyond the party's usual marketing crap. He spoke to those in the Democratic Party who see most of what's going on right now as nothing but political game-playing at a time that our country is in very, very real trouble. For speaking truth to power and for having the courage to speak outside the standard mold, I give Gravel a ton of credit. Those of us in the "real progressive wing" of the Democratic Party should start paying a bit more attention to this very darkhorse candidate. I know I intend to.

Here's a link to the text of his speech if you want to study it in greater detail than the video permits: http://www.gravel2008.us/?q=node/332

Among some of the interesting things Gravel said are:


Other candidates may have large campaign bank accounts; I’ll take Granny “D” on my side.



Fairness. Freedom. Justice. Morality. Opportunity. Peace. All goals of our Founding Fathers and concepts central to the character of most Americans.

Our Founders envisioned the People and their political leaders working together to nurture these goals and to shape these concepts from generation to generation. Unfortunately, early on, in a compromise to perpetuate the evil institution of slavery in the Constitution, the People lost their power to amend the Constitution and make laws. The compromisers knew the People would not ratify a Constitution that legalized slavery and would outlaw it if they had lawmaking powers. The results of this moral compromise brought about the primacy of representative government and its monopoly on lawmaking power.

History teaches us that nations fail when leaders fail their people. The decision to invade Iraq without provocation and fraudulently sold to the American people, by a President consumed with messianic purpose, sadly confirms this lesson of history.

The Democrats controlled the Senate on October 11, 2002 and provided political cover for George Bush to invade Iraq. The Senate leadership could have refused to even take up the resolution, or a few Senators who opposed it could have mounted a filibuster.



Politics as Usual is not acceptable for the presidency.

I feel I am entitled to raise this issue because when I served in the Senate, during the Vietnam War, I spoke truth to power.

I officially released the Pentagon Papers, and as a result, Richard Nixon sued me all the way to the Supreme Court.

I successfully filibustered to force an end to the military draft.

I filibustered alone and with others to end the appropriations for the Vietnam War. Those are my credentials. I’ve been there and know how hard it is to oppose the majority of your peers.

I ask that you hold other presidential candidates to the same standard. Political leaders who had the opportunity and the power to stop the Iraq war before it could get started and did nothing––allowed it to happen..

America's current political leadership must not continue to avoid the obvious: Our presence in Iraq exacerbates the problem. Eighty percent of Iraqis want American troops to leave their country, and 70% of Iraqis think it’s OK to kill American soldiers.

We made a grave mistake. We should have the courage to admit it. We must bring our troops home now––not 6 months from now, not a year from now––NOW! One more American death for “our vital interest” is not worth it. We all know “vital interest” is code for “oil.”



The Democrats in control of Congress need to act resolutely––and I’m not talking about some mealy-mouthed, nonbinding resolutions. They need to precipitate a constitutional confrontation with George Bush.

Under the Constitution, the Congress is the only body that can declare war. Implicit in that power is the ability to end a war and make peace. Even a Commander-in-Chief executing a war is subservient to the Congress’s war powers. The Founding Fathers specifically created this constitutional check on executive authority and it was re-affirmed by the War Powers Act of 1973. Congress is the only hope we have, between now and January 20, 2009, to halt our continued involvement in the carnage and death George Bush has unleashed.

Our nation is in crisis. This crisis is greater than most people realize, and in some ways more significant than terrorism and the Iraq war.

We have become a nation ruled by fear. Since the end of the Second World War, various political leaders have fostered fear in the American people––fear of Communism, fear of terrorism, fear of immigrants, fear of people based on race and religion, fear of Gays and Lesbian in love who just want to get married, and fear of people who are somehow different. It is fear that allows political leaders to manipulate us all and distort our national priorities.

Fear has allowed our political leaders to spend more on military armaments than is spent collectively by all the other nations in the world.



Who are we afraid of? Are we that paranoid?

Despite the trillions of dollars we spent on defense, the Bush Pentagon sent our soldiers into harms way in Iraq without the proper body armor and with insufficiently armored Humvees.

And worse, the Bush Administration plays games with the problems of our veterans, in effect waging a budget war against the only Americans who made any sacrifices in George Bush’s oil war.

Shame on you, George Bush, for letting the profits of arms contractors trump the needs of our veterans.

President Eisenhower, upon leaving office, warned of the dangers to democracy posed by a military-industrial complex. Since his warning, we have seen a rise in the culture of militarism. His concern that our foreign policy might be dictated by the financial interests “of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry” has been fully realized.

We should remember a lesson of the First World War: the presence of excessive weaponry in the hands of nation-states by itself is sufficient to induce WAR.

The decision to wage preemptive war in Iraq raises the specter of a much deeper problem facing the global community––nuclear proliferation. On this issue, we should first look at ourselves. The U.S. has more deliverable nuclear devices than the rest of the world combined. Just one Trident nuclear submarine can hold the entire world hostage. Yet we continue to build more nuclear devices. Who in the world are we prepared to nuke?



American political leaders often boast of American exceptionalism, as you head from this dais. We are indeed a great nation, one that has made significant contributions to humanity. But our leaders are promoting delusional thinking when boasting that the United States and Americans are superior to the rest of the human race. We are no better and no worse.

Unfortunately, the United States is not number one with what counts.

There are only two industrialized nations in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens: the United States and South Africa. Despite spending more per capita on health care than any other nation in the world, we rank 37th for overall health performance.

The United States ranks 49th in literacy. Time magazine reported last spring that 30% of our students don’t graduate from high school, condemning them to a diminished economic existence.

Of the Global Fortune 500 companies, only 50 are American. Wall Street and many corporate executives are awash in huge salaries and bonuses, yet the average American worker’s compensation grew only .1% in the last decade.

China, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan hold 40% of our government debt. Any one of these countries could throw the U.S. into an economic tailspin.

America’s political leadership is in denial as to the gravity and scope of our problems, viewing them almost exclusively from a national perspective. In fact, the major problems we face are all global in nature––energy, the environment, terrorism, drugs, war, immigration, disease, economic and cultural globalization. These problems require global solutions that can only be addressed by concerted diplomacy and cooperation, not jingoism about America’s Super Power superiority.



Our political leadership must begin to tell the Americans the truth. So I’ll start right now:

Here are some of the areas where the United States is No 1.

* We are number one in the production of weapons,
* We are number one in consumer spending,
* We are number one in government, commercial and personal debt,
* We are number one in the number of people we have in prison,
* We are number one in energy consumption, and
* We are number one in the environmental pollution we produce.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 02:38 PM
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1. Thanks for this post.
I don't know near enough about this guy.

That's gonna change.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 02:46 PM
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2. I heard him in the rerun
last night, had no idea who he was. He was impressive. He's the one who said that anyone who voted for the IWR and now says that they were duped, made the decision on wrong information is lacking the moral judgement to be President. I liked that part. He's been around, he is quite elderly and I know nothing else about him and most people probably have never heard of him but I hope that he will be part of the debates, he said things that needed to be said.

This is his website:

http://www.gravel2008.us/
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 02:52 PM
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3. voted for the IWR and now says that they were duped,
That was great. I like him.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:48 PM
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4. This guy was great
I had no idea who he was, but he is saying what every Dem should be saying now
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:56 PM
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5. I agree with pretty much..
... every word of this excerpt, and it doesn't matter to me WHO said them. The truth is the truth, period.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 03:58 PM
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6. He advocates completely eliminating the federal income tax
and replacing it with a progressive sales tax scheme.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:07 PM
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10. fwiw, i don't support that idea
i wrote about it here ...
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:42 PM
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29. Sales tax by definition is not Progressive
While I support Mike Gravel and believe completely everything he said at this gathering I do believe he needs to rethink his Sales Tax position. I only agree with the simplicity of it and not taxing unprepared food or medicine. But he conveniently leaves out purchase of huge buildings or business'
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:02 PM
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7. K&R
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:02 PM
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8. K&R for more discussion
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:04 PM
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9. He was very impressive.
He spoke passionately and openly about the war in Iraq, and Americas role in the world. He hasn't the chance in the world, but he should add to the debate something fresh and needed.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:19 PM
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11. I remember his work during the Vietnam war... he deserves a listen.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:20 PM
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12. The more Democratic voices that speak to reality
the better. I tried to watch his video clip last night, you just reminded me to check the DNC website again. thanks. -48
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:26 PM
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13. It's fabulous that he was invited to speak.
:toast:
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:26 PM
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14. He is great
His filibuster of the draft ended it in the early 70s
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:30 PM
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15. Mike Gravel rocks.
I'm proud to say that he was my senator when I first moved to Alaska. I wish he still was.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:31 PM
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16. Pentagon Papers. He was my senator when I lived in Alaska for three years in the early '70s
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 04:37 PM by Hissyspit
I remember really liking him even though I was pretty young. I'm glad to see he is still around tellling the truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gravel

"Mike Gravel, was a Democratic U.S. Senator from Alaska for two terms, from 1969 to 1981. He is primarily known for having put into the public record the Pentagon Papers by entering 4,100 pages of the Papers into the record of his Senate subcommittee on Buildings and Grounds, in 1971. He is currently a candidate for the 2008 Democratic nomination for President of the United States."

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:36 PM
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17. He had a lot of "panache" back in those days.
I loved him.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:38 PM
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18. Thanks - if my guy doesn't run, I'll be searching for a candidate
I can support.

Thus far, the pickin's have been slim.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:40 PM
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19. I've been posting messages about Mike Gravel for years now.
I've posted messages here at DU and at several other web forums about Mike Gravel. Mike only announced his candidacy for President last year, but he founded the National Initiative for Democracy a few years ago after working on the project for over a decade. Mike Gravel wants to empower the American people to be able to solve their own problems - especially when representative government fails to do that. And boy, do we have problems in this country. Thanks to the poster for bringing this forward.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:45 PM
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20. More from Wikipedia on his run:
"Presidential bid in 2008

On April 17, 2006, Gravel became a declared candidate for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2008 election, announcing his run in a speech to the National Press Club.

Gravel's campaign is based primarily on his ardent support for direct democracy (the National Initiative), but also emphasizes his support for a national sales tax and abolition of the IRS, immediate withdrawal from the war in Iraq, a single-payer national health care system, and term limits during his campaign.

Although Gravel's campaign has been little-noticed by the national media, he has campaigned almost full time in New Hampshire, the first primary state, since his announcement and has won the endorsement of campaign finance reform activist (and New Hampshire resident and former Alaska resident) Granny D."

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:47 PM
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21. We are number one in all those listed areas because that's what the extreme right wing wants
and they have set the national agenda for over a half of a century. We are 37th in health performance and 49th in literacy because the extreme right wing insists on being number one in producing weapons and warehousing millions in prisons and Dems and moderate Republicans have caved in fear of being labeled soft on national defense, crime, drugs, you name it. One wonders how this can be the greatest nation in the world when American workers' compensation grew only 0.1% in a decade and we are 37th in health performance and 49th in literacy. Capitulating to the extreme right wing agenda has harmed this country irreparably in all likelihood, but nothwithstanding, tens of millions were chanting, four more years, four more years in October 2004. :cry:
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 04:50 PM
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22. "Dems and moderate Republicans have caved in fear"
that's going to be the main theme of my next thread. it's tentatively titled: Hillary: just a symptom of a much bigger disease.

i'm looking forward to writing it.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 09:12 AM
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28. Go for it
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 09:12 AM by indepat
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 06:34 PM
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23. not to kill the party, but did he talk about his view on taxes?
he'd make Sam Brownshirt blush on that issue.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:55 AM
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24. Excellent!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:05 AM
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25. Interesting speech!
I was wondering who he was. So he released the Pentagon Papers - good for him! He must be getting on a bit in years, in that case. I thought all those quotes are excellent. Why would he want to replace the income tax with a sales tax, though? - that doesn't sound very progressive. But I assume he isn't going to get to be president anyway, and is using this campaign as a platform for his anti-war views, and I think he sounds GREAT on that. Hope a lot of people listen!
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:18 PM
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30. Why Mike Gravel is running is this.
He has been working on the National Initiative for Democracy for over a decade. In fact, he submitted a bill for a national initiative law when he was still in the Senate to empower the people to solve their (our) own problems, and the problems the Congress fails to address. So far the National Initiative has gotten little attention. Gravel decided to run for President to raise the general awareness of this initiative and to educate the public about it.

Potentially this is the most significant legislation ever to be proposed in this country since its founding. The National Initiative would end the corporate control of our government and give it back to the people. As Gravel said in his speech, not only would we then have a government of and for the people, but also for the first time by the people! Essentially the initiative creates a forth branch of government - we, the people - to the checks and balances.

You need to watch http://www.freedomtofascism.com/">AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM. In that movie you will discover that the Federal Income Tax is not a legal tax and is also unconstitutional. The proposed fair sales tax is a good substitute for needed revenue to run the government. Today our income tax revenue does actually nothing except pay the interest on the national debt.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:55 AM
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26. Very impressive! Thanks for posting this.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:27 AM
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27. Truth overload!
My head just exploded!

:kick:
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