Idle speculation on their part, I would presume...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/02/general_salutes.html

General Salutes 'Clinton-Clark' Ticket

February 02, 2007 4:44 PM

ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: On the same day that he was the only Democrat allowed to speak to members of the Democratic National Committee without making his 2008 intentions known, Gen. Wesley Clark raised speculation as to whether he is angling to be Sen. Hillary Clinton's, D-N.Y., running mate.

"I'm a great admirer of Senator Clinton. I think she's terrific," Clark told ABC News with a sly smile when asked if he shared a former aide's assessment that "a Clinton-Clark ticket has a nice ring to it."

For a May 2005 story looking at the high-profile role that Clark was taking on behalf of Capitol Hill Democrats as a foreign policy spokesman and adviser, Chris Lehane, a former Clinton White House aide who advised Clark's 2004 campaign, told Roll Call's Chris Cillizza, "I've always thought a Clinton-Clark ticket had a nice ring to it."

When asked by ABC News on Friday if he would be entering the presidential race as a candidate, Clark replied, "I haven't said that I'm not," but the retired four-star general declined to offer any further assurance that he would be establishing a presidential campaign committee the way all nine other Democrats who are speaking to the D.N.C.'s winter meeting have done.

Lehane is not the only Democrat to link Clinton and Clark.

Back in September of 2003, the New York Times reported that former President Clinton told a gathering of big campaign donors in Chappaqua, N.Y. that the Democratic Party has "two stars": his wife and Clark, the former NATO Supreme Allied Commander.

Moments before talking to ABC News, Clark stopped himself before getting on an elevator at the Washington Hilton hotel where the D.N.C. winter meeting was taking place so that he could greet D.N.C. member and Clinton confidant Harold Ickes.

"I've got to say hello to Harold Ickes," said a beaming Clark.

I would not be surprised if it happened...

Clark was my first choice in 2004.

I absolutely do NOT see Clinton/Clark. Clinton/Bayh? Yeah.

It another 'meme' coming out of the Clinton camp to try to short cut competitors. Don't bayh it.

Bayh is good for winning Ohio and Indiana.

Clark is good because he can win the Fighting Dems and the military men/vets who usually support the repubs but are centrist, independents. Clark will appeal to these angry white men who swing republican, but I'm not sure if it is enough to win any swing states, since Clark has never been elected to any office and does not have a base of actual voters.

Clark could pick up Arkansas with its Democratic machine and heavy Clinton voters, but those votes won't be enough if no other swing states are carried.

Unlike many typical politicians, Clark isn't in it to grab a 'title'. He's had those.

He and Hillary disagree on fundamental issues of policy. Though Clark is always unfailingly polite (even to the Foxheads) it doesn't mean that he'd be interested in watching HC play politics and make the same mistakes Bush has. ABC has an agenda, and I'll bet I know what it is... Can you guess?

She didn't take Clark's advice on the vote on the IWR. There's been nothing to show that she'd take his advice on anything now.

I suspect Hill won't even ask Clark, she'll ask Bayh. I suspect the 'deal' is already closed.

Both Tom Schaller of The American Prospect and Michelle Cottle The New Republic are wondering aloud if Sen. Clinton ☼ is planning to pick Sen. Evan Bayh ☼ as her running mate should she win the nomination:

Bayh traveled to Iraq with fellow Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton, who is most assuredly not going to drop from the race just two weeks after announcing her exploratory committee, as Bayh did. That prompted Cottle to wonder in this week’s TNR about something I was also pondering: Are Clinton and Bayh thinking about, well, Clinton-Bayh? Cottle:

With his eternally polite, scrupulously attentive manner, Bayh couldn’t help but look a bit like Hillary’s courtier. Which started me wondering if Bayh’s recent, unexpected announcement that he would not be running for president himself (less than two weeks after forming an exploratory committee, mind you) had anything to do with hints from Team Hillary regarding her future plans for a running mate…To avoid starting any rumors, let me stress that I’ve heard no such rumblings. Still, the two Senate centrists do make a lovely political couple.

Other than the Hotline’s Chuck Todd, I seem to be one of the only people in Washington who thinks that candidates pairing up to run as a ticket through the primaries is a superb idea… If Hillary wants to knock Barack Obama on his heels, she could put Bayh (or better yet, Iowa’s Tom Vilsack?) on the ticket by, say, July 1. Having a running mate during the primary allows her to balance the ticket from the start; doubles the principles (and spouses) who can raise money and campaign; would take some of the spotlight off her; and reduces her risks of burnout or becoming overexposed.

listed in that order by Al From as "our candidates" for 2008 in an appearance on C-Span's Washington Journal on October 25th, 2005.

feel comfortable as a leg up for Clinton after seeing how they always fail to support other Democrats at crucial times. Not to mention their attempts at deliberate takedowns of good Democrats.

The first thing Hillary will do once she has the power position is to get rid of Dean as they tried to do last November. It will be hard for me to believe Clark will go along with that group of thugs.

Sounds like... blm!

In fact, it's the coverup Democrats who have LONG protected BushInc and who also tried to take down Dean as head of the DNC.

Carville and Grunwald even protected Rove and the WH throughout 2003 and 2004 before the election - both KNEW the WH outed Plame but let the RW malign and smear Joe Wilson as a liar the entire time.

Carville married to one of the architects of the smear campaign - Mary Matalin. And Grunwald married to a media tool for WH, Matt Cooper. They knew the truth the whole time and let Wilson stay smeared and stayed quiet for the Bush WH before a year and a half before the election.

What is curious to me is why you have so much resentment for those of us who would prefer to see ALL of the crimes of BushInc to get a full airing and support those who hold BushInc accountable over those who WON'T hold BushInc accountable, and have even contributed to the rehabiliation of Poppy Bush in the public eye.

Big difference.

Unless you'd like to argue that those who have protected BushInc over the years ARE good Dems.

In fact you dislike it so much that I have become a target for you. Why are YOU so invested in the protection of BushInc and those Democrats who have helped him protect his secrecy and privilege?

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

they never mattered. We know why corpmedia does it, by why do you keep pretending that the level of corruption in those matters was nothing of consequence? Is it because you have no working knowledge of any of these serious crimes of office by BushInc?

Do you even KNOW enough to conclude that these matters don't rise to any level of import

and....


Care to make that case to the 9-11 families?

that he inherited when he took office. List for me the actions that he took that you know about and that somehow those attentive to the matters missed.

even though it was his duty to deal with the outstanding matters that he INHERITED when he took office.

the unresolved matters in IranContra but wanted Poppy Bush to have a 'peaceful retirement' for his years of service, And CIA drugrunning report came out in 1996 - so how was THAT resolved before Clinton took office?

And BCCI in NO WAY was finished when in late 1992 there was a list of 20 OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS that needed further scrutiny and resolution - matters that point directly to the growing terror networks and their funding that led to 9-11. You don't even have any basic knowledge about BCCI so how on earth did you conclude that it was all resolved before Clinton took office? Show me Poppy Bush's record where he faciliatated the answering of thes questions put forth in late 1992. And if you can't find how Poppy Bush faciliatated the investigation into these outstanding questions, then show me where Clinton did.



There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al- Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British
investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including
the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich
remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political
figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.

those who DON'T want the matters resolved and I will bet that you won't bother to address ONE of the twenty questions listed above. But did you notice that Marc Rich was involved with one of these questions? So maybe Clinton's way of resolving at least ONE of these questions for BushInc was by pardoning Marc Rich.

However there were PLENTY of RWers who agree with you that there was nothing for Clinton to pursue on the matters of IranContra and BCCI and CIA drugrunning because they were resolved and Bush was clean....and there was nothing there...and it never happened....pure conspiracy theory......attack the messnger.

See - YOU are the one who agrees with the RW who will always protect secrecy and privilege over the public's right to an open government.

story dealt with that aspect of it - surely this can't be the first time you heard this? How long have you been a Democrat?

And if Clinton's administration was in power in 1996, then that is the administration who COVERED UP for BushInc's CIA drugrunning and who denied and downplayed the story till it was out of the papers and the Pulitzer Prize winning reporter was ostracized by his peers based on 'official' reports denying the story.

Except two years later the CIA documents popped up and were part of a CIA agents testimony verifying Webb's report.

The documentary is on BET's website - American Gangster. Or catch it when it's rerun - possibly this week or next.

because he had already closed the books on IranContra and BCCI and he could be made out to be complicit with Bush at that point BUSH was the one running the drugs through the CIA. So, he needed to save his legacy and hope for the best. He may have never imagined so much informatio would spread through the internet or that there would be a constituency that still cared more about IranContra and BCCI than about a stained blue dress.

BTW - if you want to learn more and understand that there is still great relevance to the outstanding matters of BCCI - read this current thread in GD


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=127688&mesg_id=127688

fully exposed.

And your posts are just getting sillier and sillier because you have no other road to take.

Care about your COUNTRY more than loyalty to Clinton - just for one day:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=127688&mesg_id=127688

Do you really have to sink that low for a position on this, wyldwolf?

Especially from those Democratswho had the most power to make it happen.

You side with secrecy and privilege over open government. Your attacks on me have proven it. You don't KNOW about BushInc crimes of office and you don't CARE for them to be fully resolved. You are perfectly content that the books stay closed.

That is a shame.

Can you say Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, etc. and finally--impeachment?

Hillary has been one of Bushco's chief enablers on Iraq, and Carville/Begala/Grunwald have long ago proved that they do not speak for progressives any more.

. . .don't like the prospect of a Clinton/Clark ticket

at all

. . .maybe Dean and Gore should have a long talk with Clark "to take this country back" first from the MachiaClintons, . . then from the Bush cabal.
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Listen to speculators at your own risk, they may have an agenda unlike your own. I just heard Wes Clark loudly proclaim that he supports Howardd Dean's 50 State Strategy. That's not what I keep hearing from Hillary's team of Carville and Begala.

Clark I have seen and heard. It's more like the Clintons are floating this to dangle some worm in hopes Clark will bite, just like they did with Bayh and Vilsack.

from running. If nominated, no way does she pick Clark for VP; he is not DLC controllable. As others have posted, the Clintons have done nothing for Clark.

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Love Clark. Don't much care for Hillary.

There are numerous reports of Clark clashing with other military commanders and i think Clark is a wildcard and will definately speak his mind about disagreements.

Thats why I think he would not be VP because the Clinton people don't know what they'll get, and they want people who stay with the script and don't stray from hillary's message.

I see a Clark VP spot creating lots of problems for Hillary.

More like a 'meme' to try to discourage the competition. It started with a comment by Lehane. That should say a lot about its credibility and who's pushing it, right there.

but I think you would still agree with my characterization of Bill and Hillary as Machiavellian. . .;-)

Your posts on this thread are all spot-on. . ."bemused smile". . .bwhaaahaaahaaa . . . you settled that discussion perfectly.

And thanks for warning me about Lehane. . .feels so much better knowing Clark is onto these thugs.
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Clark is a clintonite and always will be. He owes his career and reputation to Clinton.

Even though Clinton did not take Clark's advise about going into Rwanda.

Clark owes his career to Clark...which is why he was retired early...with no help out from a Clinton! :eyes:

sounds OK in theory, but in practice that would mean instead of 9 candidates running around for President you'd have 18 talking heads (and throw in the other side and you're talking about 36 and then add in candidate spouses, campaign managers etc...). I'm pretty sure I'd have to shoot my TV.


Wes Clark would be a natural fit as VP for Hillary. For the other candidates, he'd be better utilized as a cabinet candidate.

There's only a handful of VP candidates and most primary losers will be VP candidates themselves.

The point of hillary or anyone "choosing" a VP is to gain support. Hell, Al Gore supported Dean in 04. So If Bayh or Clark come out heavily in support of Hillary, that will definately take away support from Edwards and Obama.

The DNC establishment will consolidate around Hillary and freeze out her opponents. Bayh is by far the strongest DNC member with the positioning for VP, so it would be mutually beneficial for him to declare support for Hillary and heavily imply he would be the VP, and leaking to the press, etc. making things inevitable, positioning him as the stronger VP over Clark and the others as second choices.

Haven't seen reason yet to move it from there. Of course, I haven't given money to any candidate yet though.

:patriot:

Or Edwards-Napolitano

Isn't that important now days?

I don't think we'll see any of the so-called 'top tier' candidates(Clinton, Edwards, Obama) together on a ticket. If one of the three gets the nod, they will have to choose a VP candidate with serious foreign policy experience, in order to balance out the ticket.

Yeah it worked for Clinton-Gore, but I don't think it wouldn't provide the same synergy. If Obama won the nomination, some white guy will balance the ticket (but not Edwards). If Edwards wins there'd but some reason, to go with a strong female VP choice (since Edwards winning means a woman lost). Richardson would be a possible choice too.

Bottom line is that I don't think the ticket this year will have two white guys on it.

I like Obama, but together they would be perceived as too young and inexperienced, especially in areas of national security.

That ticket would be a no-starter, in my view.

I believe Clinton, at this point in time, has the numbers to win the democratic nomination but she will have a fight on her hands to win the presidency. Who else would she need to bring on board but a retired General? The south loves a military man. He may be the one man who could tip it in her favor. Clark is popular amongst a lot of DUers but he has little or no support outside the democratic internet sites. So his thoughts on the matter may be to wait out 8 years as VP & then run for president.

that doesn't mean he agrees to fill that need, and I very much doubt that Clark is looking for a chance to run for his first term as President after he is in his 70's. Clark is focused on the dangers facing America now, not a future career in politics.

good point.

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"Is that all there is, is that all there is? If that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing..."

Sorry couldn't resist.

Geeeze these media leeches don't let up do they? They have reached a par with the National Enquirer, and may be sinking toward the level of the Weekly World.

All this over a "sly smile". How can we be sure it wasn't a "wan smile", or a "tired smile"? Can we really trust the source? What is their prior record on facial readings? Personlly I'm voting that it probably was a "bemused smile."

Yeah Bill Clinton said something flattering about Wes Clark in 2003 when Clark wasn't running against his wife. At the time some proclaimed, "Clark is a proxy candidate, he will clear the field then step aside and let Hillary have it." Right.

Clark virtually always says that he respects every leading Democrat. This is news? That is all that Clark said. That's the story. Clark smiles when he knows that some reporter is trying to lead him into saying something that might blow up in his face if he isn't careful. Watch, you'll see that same "sly smile" in the future from Clark when that is what is happening.

And NEVER trust political information with Chris Lehane as a source. There is a reason why he no longer works for Clark. Or Kerry.

I think out of all that Clinton could run with, it won't be Wes Clark.

and Edwards/Obama is a laughable ticket at most. It's like giving two people without even a driver's license between them an airplane to fly. Why would anyone want that, and why would anyone think that it would produce good results? :shrug: American Idol is a Fox show.....and should not be representative of how we pick as our leaders. :eyes:

:thumbsup:

"Clark told ABC News with a sly smile" :eyes:

and a fairly balanced ticket.

to the Clintons to deter his netroots support since many of the netroots crowd are anti-Clinton.

During 04 they put out the "Clark is Clinton's man" meme. However, two of Clinton's biggest tools (Carville and Begela) would always remain silent when Clark was disparaged or join in. Edwards, on the other handed, was lauded by these very same individuals. I later read that Clinton was pushing Edwards for V.P., that Clinton was the first person to call Edwards when he got the nod and that Clinton supported Edwards b/c he helped him beat the impeachment charge. In one interview, Edwards even said how Clinton was giving him advise. In 04, tying Clark to the Clintons surely infuriated a lot of the Dean supporters who felt the Clintons were the ones behind getting Dean out of the race and kept many from supporting Clark when Dean dropped out of the race.

I can't help but feel that maybe the DLC is planning a Clinton/Edwards ticket. For instance:

1. Clinton pushing Edwards as VP in 04 would give Edwards experience in a general election and would make him a top tier candidate in 08. Hmmmm…why would Clinton set up Edwards to be a major competitor to his wife in 08? It makes sense if the plan was to set Edwards up to be Clinton's VP in 08. Maybe Clinton just wanted to payback Edwards for the impeachment help but at the expense of putting Hillary in the whitehouse? ON EDIT: Maybe Clinton was hoping to set up a weak top-tier candidate opponent for Hillary but that would be a really ruthless thing to do to your impeachment buddy.

2. Edwards was confident enough to build a huge home even though doing so could challenge his image as the “populist” candidate. He must have some big plans for that big house (the Kennedy compound comes to mind). In a primary where every vote counts it's a stupid move (but not if you're really running for VP). In the general election, it's not such a big deal since the Republicans are very unlikely to run a populist ticket (plus it will allow for some great Clinton /Edwards photo-ops). One of the images sold in 02 was the youth of the Clinton/Gore ticket so the Clintons are definitely into imaging.

3. By running Edwards as the anti-war, non-DLC candidate they can keep the progressives in line and more willing to support a ticket with Clinton at the top as long as their anti-war, "non-DLC" populist rounds out the ticket. It's amazing to watch Al From of the DLC talk up Edwards on the cable political "news" shows.

4. Even though posters and some in the media have talked about Clinton and Edwards attacking each other can you really call them attacks? For example, Edwards saying he talked to the Clinton experts in the run up to the war gives both Hillary and Edwards an excuse for their IWR vote. He's saying that he and Clinton didn't just take Bush's word for it, they also checked with the Clinton experts. So the Bush and Clinton experts got it wrong, that shouldn't reflect negatively on the two senators (of course that ignores how many people got it right). Furthermore, I think it supports the meme that H.C. always does her homework (she checked with the Clinton experts and didn't just rely on the Bush "experts"). ON EDIT: It also helps out Bush and is in keeping with the "close" relationship that's developed between Bush Sr and Bill Clinton. On Larry King, when a question about Bush's handling of Katrina was raised Bush Sr turned to Clinton and said you handle this... and Clinton rose to Bush's defense. Isn't it wonderful to see everyone get along.

5. Clinton is targeting the middle class, Edwards the poor. After 8 years of the Clintons in the Whitehouse, targeting the poor would appear disingenuous to say the least.

6. Edwards says he will ignore the budget deficit and pass health care for all. With the ramifications of our looming debt imminently upon us, this would cause a major problem in the general election unless you’re the VP for someone they could sell to the American public as a deficit hawk (and experienced in bringing down the national debt).

7. While Clinton gave the keynote speech at the latest AIPAC gathering, Edwards worked the crowd.

8. On MTP, Edwards kept saying today that people would pick the next president based on their maturity and judgment. I kept thinking those words don’t apply to Edwards so why would he keep using them to describe the criteria for the next president unless he was being a good solider and describing the top of the ticket. ..I can just hear the spin now - oh Edwards reminds us of the days of Camelot..(look at these great photos at the Edward's compound) he's not experienced or mature enough now but he will be after 8 years as Clinton's VP. (Of course maybe Edwards has bought into his own PR spin and thinks those words really describe him.)

Just give a sly smile

Edwards won't run as a VP again, nor should any candidate have too run for VP twice (unless for reelection).

Clark certainly is a plausible fit as a VP for Hillary. Moreso than Edwards.

anti-war wing on board in the general election, especially if Hagel runs as a third party or the Republicans nominate a non IWR enabler. The one they are pushing as the progressive, anti-war candidate is Edwards.

Clark is not a plausible fit for Clinton.

Its highly doubtful and rather embarrassing for Edwards to run as the VP again. If he was so sure he would get the VP spot in 2008, he should have turned down Kerry, just like Richardson and Bayh turned down Kerry.

:eyes:

at least they aren't calling him a republican anymore.

Don't snuggle up next to Clinton because you aren't sure if you can win the nomination, run and do your best. America needs you in the debate for our country!!

Clark hasn't snuggled up to anyone, and sure as hell not Clinton. Who do you think might qualify for this statement Clark just made at the DNC meeting?

"I get angry with elected officials who dragged our country deeper and deeper into Iraq when there are so many urgent problems at home and abroad, and I ask, can't we do better!"

America needs Clark in this debate!!

bushco's biggest enablers on Iraq, and Edwards, a CO-SPONSOR of the IWR, and enabler for a long time. I think Wes Clark knows that the only way he can make a true difference is as President.

Clark was my pick in the primaries. Now, if Gore gets in the race, that could change everything for me.

(Please, note: I am not throwing these names out there in order to debate the candidates qualities, or to try to persuade anyone to vote for a particular candidate, or to be brow-beat because I like a certain candidate and not another. The primaries are a long way away and I'm simply entertaining myself with conjecture.)

dammitalltohell

ABSOLUTELY ourbluenation! I share your frustration!

I've been praying for this since the ticket occurred to me last December. . .

GORE = CLARK 2008

I think that radar thing is broken... :eyes:

Clark having the ear of any commander in chief can only be a net positive for the country, but a Clark presidency would be even better.

I'd be honestly surprised if Clark accepted the role of VP. I'm just not convinced he'd find that position intellectually stimulating or challenging enough to suit him. Could be wrong, of course.

Given their prior relationship, I suspect Clark would play a very substantive role if he were Hillary's VP....

:hi:

I think Clark as VP would just cause a situation where he just pisses people off and complains a lot while being ineffectual. He just doesn't have the personality to be a good number 2.

We need an Al Gore type to be VP...how about tipper....Hillary/Tipper 2008!

Clark's been married over 40 years, and not a complaint has ever been heard.

Clark kept a 19 country coalition from falling apart...one that had to approve of every item prior to it occuring.

Wanna see some fucking Awards from each and everyone of those countries pinned on Wes Clark? He ain't the most decorated officer since Eisenhoward for nothing. And you can call him "Sir" Clark....considering he's also been knighted!

Each "Oak Leaf Cluster" or "Service Star" denotes an additional bestowal of the same award.

Defense Distinguished Service Medal (with 4 Oak Leaf Clusters)<1>
For Bosnia service
Joint Staff, end of tour
For service at U.S. Southern Command
For service as Commander of the Kosovo conflict
For service as Supreme Allied Commander, Europe
Distinguished Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)<2>
1st Cavalry Division 1994
Upon retirement 2000
Legion of Merit (with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters)<3>
Shape 1979
D.A. Staff 1983
MJC 1986
MJC 1991
Silver Star Medal<4>
1970
Bronze Star Medal (with 1 Oak Leaf Cluster)<5>
1969
1970
Purple Heart<6>
1970
Meritorious Service Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)<7>
1977
1985
Army Commendation Medal (with Oak Leaf Cluster)<8>
1969
1974
Joint Meritorious Unit Citation<9>
2000
National Defense Service Medal (with service star)<10>
Vietnam Service Medal (with 3 service stars)<11>
Army Service Ribbon<12>
Vietnam Campaign Medal<13>
Combat Infantryman Badge<14>
Parachutist Badge<15>
Ranger Tab<16>
Army Staff Identification Badge<17>
Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge<18>

U.S. Civilian awards
Presidential Medal of Freedom, 2000<19>
White House Fellowship, 1975<20>
Legacy of Leadership Award, 1999<21>
Lady Liberty Award for National Security and World Peace, 2000 <22>
Balkan Peace Award, 2001 <23>
Secretary of State's Open Forum Distinguished Public Service Award, 2001 <24>

Knighthoods
The United States Constitution prohibits government officials from accepting titles of nobility from foreign governments, but no such prohibition exists on private citizens. Thus, Wes Clark was eligible for Knighthood following his retirement from the military, but any Knighthoods granted prior to his retirement were granted as "honorary" Knighthoods. The following are inductions into Orders that are categorized as Orders of Knighthood/Chivalry, or Orders in which Knight is the lowest rank:

Honorary Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire<25>
Commander of the Legion of Honor (France)<26>
Knight Grand Cross in the Order of Orange-Nassau, with Swords (Netherlands)<27>
Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg<28>
The Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold (Belgium)<29>
Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy <30>

International honors
Grand Cross of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany <31>
Grand Cross of the Medal of Military Merit (Portugal) <32>
The Commander's Cross with Star of the Order of Merit of Republic of Poland (Polish: Order Zaslugi Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej)<33>
Grand Military Service Cross (White Badge) (Spain) <34>
Cross of Merit of the Minister of Defense First Class (Czech Republic) <35>
Order of Merit of the Hungarian Republic <36>
Commander's Cross, The Silver Order of Freedom of the Republic of Slovenia;<37>
Madarski Konnik Medal (Bulgaria) <38>
Commemorative Medal of the Minister of Defence of the Slovak Republic First Class (Slovakia) <39>
First Class Order of the Lithuanian Grand Duke Gediminas (Lithuania);<40>
First Class Order of the Cross of the Eagle (Estonia);<41>
The Skanderbeg Medal (Albania) <42>
Grand Cordon of the Ouissam Alaoui (Morocco) <43>
Order of May of Military Merit (Argentina) <44>
The Grade of Prince Trpimir with Ribbon and Star (Croatia)<45>
Meritorious Service Decoration (Military Division) of Canada<46>
Grand Commander of the Order of Vesthardes Rex (Latvia)<47>
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-wesley-clark-awards-and-honors


Guess you just like to make shit up so you can sound important or something!
Let's see what you've got pinned to your chest! :eyes: