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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:05 PM
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Breaking on MSNBC: Giuliani to file to run
just now... Rudy Giuliani is expected to file a statement of candidacy.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:06 PM
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1. Well, this'll be entertaining. NT
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:11 PM
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2. VERY.
So, Rudy, whatcha been doin' since 9/11? And is this your current wife? And what did you know about downtown air quality? Who does your hair?

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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:15 PM
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4. My prediction. All of those questions you mention will start to come from BFEE sources
rather than our own. They're going to smear him like nobody's business. He stands in the way of their empire and the heir taking Dubya's throne.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:17 PM
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7. Ha! to funny. n/t
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:27 PM
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10. You mean for his drag pictures or for everyday appearences
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:15 PM
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3. Oh, good!
Now this will be really entertaining. :popcorn:

Mz Pip
:dem:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:16 PM
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5. DU, your prayers have been answered!
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 02:44 PM by wyldwolf
Someone who just may poll higher than Hillary. To bad he is a Republican.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:37 PM
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13. "your"
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:44 PM
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16. ah. Thanks.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:17 PM
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6. And how did you happen to be in London
on the day of the bombings there? How funny that you were in the two major cities that had terrorist bombings. And when you get a minute could you explain 911 to me again?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:24 PM
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9. And please tell us, Rudy, all the ways you have cashed in on 9/11!
Non? Well, let me help you out.

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20060925&s=barrett

Cashing In on Catastrophe

by WAYNE BARRETT & DAN COLLINS

from the September 25, 2006 issue

Even before he left office as New York City's mayor at the end of 2001, Rudolph Giuliani was telling reporters about Giuliani Partners, the management consulting firm he intended to open up with his old City Hall team. The partners were more of a Giuliani posse than a group of peers. Michael Hess, the former city corporation counsel, was named managing partner. Fire Commissioner Tom Von Essen became a senior partner, as did Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, whose later nomination as head of Homeland Security would go down in flames after revelations that his concern for following the rules and avoiding ethical conflicts appeared close to nonexistent. The only partner who came from outside the City Hall crowd was Roy Bailey, former finance chair of the Republican Party of Texas, who'd gotten to know Giuliani when he helped raise money for Giuliani's abortive 2000 Senate campaign against Hillary Clinton. Bailey helped finance the new company, whose reported start-up payroll was $10 million a year.

<>Now, with Giuliani traveling the country as a 2008 Republican presidential hopeful, his record both as mayor and afterward is coming under increasing scrutiny. In no area is there more to examine than in the story of Giuliani Partners. Giuliani Partners' initial press releases religiously avoided any mention of the attacks--Rudy is described as the man who "returned accountability to city government and improved the quality of life for all New Yorkers." But when their clients, who were very frequently companies in trouble, told the world they had just hired a renowned team of "crisis managers," no one pretended their critical expertise came from handling snowstorms or subway fires.

<>The Partners also rekindled relationships with some old friends who played central roles in some of the biggest city failures on 9/11. Among them was a "strategic partnership" with CB Richard Ellis, the successor of the firm that had found the city the perfect location for a command center--high above lower Manhattan in one of the World Trade Center towers. The announcement of the deal, in which Giuliani Partners would be advising Ellis on "location and site assessment" as well as on emergency preparedness and fire safety, was made without any discernible sense of irony.

Cashing in on 9/11 took many forms. In 2004 Giuliani Partners signed up Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, which was concerned about the popularity of drug re-importation. American pharmaceutical companies sold their product at much lower prices in Canada and Europe, where national price controls were in effect. The big profits came in the United States, where Congress had vigilantly guarded the drug manufacturers' right to charge what the market would bear. But American senior citizens had begun taking bus trips to Canada to buy their medication, and, in a far more ominous development for the drug companies, members of Congress were talking about making it legal to import cheaper prescription drugs from across the border. PhRMA wanted Giuliani Partners to prepare a report on the safety of these practices.

more...
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:21 PM
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8. RUDY
That is such a DRAG!!!!!!!



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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:33 PM
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11. Can Rudy split the potential McCain vote, allowing the fundies...
to nominate somebody like Brownback?

Dare to dream!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:36 PM
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12. Interesting possibility
I'm not sure how it's gonna play out. I think if were actually able to get the nomination, he'd be a formidable candidate.

He won't get a lot of the hard-core conservative grassroots support, but he does have a much greater mainstream appeal.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:38 PM
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14. True, but...
I just don't see a pro-gay rights, pro-choice, thrice-divorced, scandal-plagued candidate getting out of the GOP primary alive. Do you?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:45 PM
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18. I don't really know
a few years ago I would've said of course not, but I think even Republicans have been turned off by the crazy right-wing elements.

If it becomes a battle between Giuliani and McCain (which seems likely), the extreme cases have NOWHERE to go, and they may pick Giuliani as the lesser of two evils, recognizing that he'd have a decent shot in the General.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:54 PM
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22. That's a good point. I just think that when you mention "crazy right-wing elements"...
you've gotta remember that meny of that element make up the Republican primary voter! If the relatively normal GOP voters split their vote between McCain and Giuliani, it could mean the nomination of Brownback or Hunter -- which, of course, is great for us because they'd be crushed in the general election.

That said, I'm actually pretty worried about Huckabee. The crazies love him, and yet the more-moderate GOP voters seem to have no problem with him either. All in all, I'm more afraid of him than I am Giuliani. Who said, "No one will vote for a pretend Republican if they can have the real thing?" Anyway, the vice versa could be said of Giuliani. But Huckabee sticks to the conservative guns and still draws a lot of approval. In my humble, not-so-bright opinion, he's the most dangerous man in the GOP primary, McCain and Giuliani notwithstanding.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:56 PM
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24. I've said it before
but nobody seemed to agree - I think Huckabee is a real threat.

Nice to see at least one person feel the same way.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:17 PM
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28. It seems strange to me that many here are worried about Huckabee.
I've heard several conservative opinions on TV shows produced here in his home state, and they don't think he'll even win the primary here in Arkansas. Is he that much more popular outside of Arkansas?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:29 PM
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30. It's not that he's popular. I don't think he's even very well known...
but he's the only candidate that can find favor with most wings of the GOP -- the religious right, the libertarians, the moderates, etc.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:31 PM
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31. I haven't seen a lot of people here
worried about Huckabee. I saw a lot more outright dismissal of him.

My feelings are based on the fact that he comes across as much more moderate than he really is, and he's got a likeable, self-deprecating persona. He seems to be able to express himself well, without coming off as an extremist nutcase. It's all based on my personal reaction to him. I think he has a pretty good shot at working his way through the primary process.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:46 PM
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19. It's not his socially liberal background that'll sink him, IMO; it's his generally
abysmal record as Mayor of New York. Although the GOP may want a little Mussolini.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:07 PM
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26. I'm not sure
I agree with that assessment - MOST Americans, and certainly the vast majority of Republicans, are not civil libertarians. They LIKE a tough-on-crime asshole like Giuliani.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:43 PM
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15. Oh, sheer joy! This will get Bernie Kerik back in the news! nt
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:45 PM
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17. He should make the race entertaining...

Because of his intense popularity, a lot of political pundits think that he risks losing his "9-11 Halo" forever.


I've heard two completely different takes on him from analysts on MSNBC:

1) He'll never garner enough support from the religious right, neo-cons, and pro-lifers to get the nomination..

or...

2) If they think Rudy is the only one who can win, they'll set aside their personal differences just to keep an R in the White House..

I think #1 (and to some degree a loss of his "America's mayor") status will be the likely outcome myself.

But it should be interesting to see them swiftboating their own in the process!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:49 PM
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20. As expected. The GOP won't nominate him n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:52 PM
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21. Oh sure, Gooliani is Presidential - in his own little mind.
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 02:52 PM by wisteria
What an egotist.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:56 PM
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23. What an ego he has!
He acts compentently for one day of his life (at least compared to the Chimp-in-Chief) and suddenly he thinks he's presidential material.

At least we know that if this little quest in futility fails, we'll never have to hear from him again.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:58 PM
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25. Good another moron on their side! Keep it up CONS!
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:11 PM
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27. They are going to have to do a lot of fancy footwork to explain
Rudy's 3 marriages to the "family values" audience. I believe we are about to see a first class demonstration of hypocrisy along with a heavy dose of mud slinging as his supporters try to find worse dirt on his opponents.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:18 PM
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29. I think such things
are used only as bludgeons by people who already dislike the candidate, and are ignored by people who do.

Reagan was our first divorced president. Conservatives didn't care. Newt, Livingston, Hyde... all adulterers. Conservatives didn't care.

Don't underestimate the ability of people to resolve cognitive dissonance.
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