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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:39 AM
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Anybody see this on Pravda? Yikes....
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/09-02-2007/87250-arms_race-0


USA launches new arms race and prepares to wage war against Russia

America needs a very strong army to be prepared for possible threats in the future. Russia is one of those “future threats,” the new Pentagon head Roberts Gates said. “We need a full set of measures to conduct a war, including both special military units necessary for war against terrorists and infantry troops to be able to fight against large regular armies. We do not know what changes can take place in such countries as Russia, China, North Korea, Iran and others,” Robert Gates stated.


Robert Gates




George W. Bush labeled Iran, Iraq and North Korea as “axis of evil” in January 2002. Five years later, when Saddam Hussein’s regime no longer exists, the US administration is still concerned about possible enemies. Moreover, Russia and China have been included on the list of potential unpredictable rivals for the USA, in the same line with North Korea and Iran. Unlike the previous potential enemies, the new ones possess large armies.

Does it mean that the USA is
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:45 AM
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1. America's greatest threat, the possibility that she will run
out of enemies, this was so poignantly revealed by a Russian diplomat who was way ahead of the curve imho.

http://www.uga.edu/cits/documents/pdf/Russell%20Symposium%2099.pdf


>>Dr. James Schlesinger: And that was on a day that he
was feeling most moderate.

Daniel Schorr: I would like to start by citing three
quotations that I feel are relevant for today’s discussion.
The head of the Soviet Institute in charge of
studying the United States and Canada, in the last days
of the Gorbachev regime, he said to me, “Mr. Schorr,
we will deprive you of an enemy and then what will you do?”

Larry Eagelberger, former Secretary of State, once
said, “You will see, we are going to be nostalgic one of
these days for the Cold War.”

And then there was Jim Woolsey, former Director
of the CIA, who in testimony before Congress, at one
point, summarized the security situation of the United
States by saying, “We have slain the dragon, but boy,
are there a lot of snakes out there!”<<
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 10:45 AM
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5. Absolutely! I grew up with...
"Duck and Cover" and checking under the bed for
lurking Communists.

Since WWII we have had to have an enemy, and the Soviets
fuilled the bill very well.  There was no way to justify
enormous military spending and worldwide bases without some
boogeyman out there doing us evil.  We could freely install
"our" dictators and support war and revolution as
long as it was to fight those nasty Communists.  That they had
nukes made it even better-- they understood MAD and the chance
of a real shootin' war with them was actually minimal if
everyone just played the game.

Without the Soviets looking to take over everything, we still
have over a hundred bases around the world and a trillion
dollar military budget that has to be justified. 
"Terrorists" are filling the bill quite nicely. 
Even better than those nasty Russians because nobody really
knows who they are or where they hide so we can spend the
money freely without anyone asking too many questions. And
they don't actually have a nuclear arsenal that could destroy
us if someone blinks.

Imagine how we'd be doing if our best and brightest actually
spent their time working on stuff people could use instead of
weaponry, like the Japanese, Italians, Germans and others are
doing?  Japan and Europe have discoverd the "Peace
Dividend" that would pay out much better here is we ever
tried it.





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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 11:17 AM
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7. The old adage goes, "If all you have is a hammer... everything
looks like a nail". Well, I've got a big bad war machine that needs greasing every now and again. I'd sure hate to waste all those armaments that are reaching their shelf life.


This administration is guilty of Kleptocism.

Kleptocism: The hijacking or destruction of the criticism concerning the prewar "INTEL".
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:52 AM
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2. The problem that I have is you can't expect to go out and..
rattle your sabre without having the rest of the world get nervous, and begin to do an arms buildup. We are in a major Nuclear buildup world wide IMHO thanks to * and his minions. It is happening everywhere you look, and the pentagon has the audacity to question some of these countries for their current arms buildup ie: China, Russia, etc. duh....

ww
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 10:51 AM
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6. So we justify a war with Iran because they supply or sell other countries
weapons. If we can do that...can't other countries justify an attack on the US because we sell weapons all over the world. Seems like a lot of country's have reason to attack us.
Thanks George! Are we safer now... after spending all those billions of hard earned money from the American middle class?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 10:12 AM
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3. Sounds like scaring the populace works for them, too. NT
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 10:31 AM
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4. So, what do we do if they all decide to gang up on us?
There is strength in numbers, and it sounds to me like Russia is talking to a whole bunch of other countries who have been turned off by this administration. WWIII comes to mind and this time, we won't have anyone on our side.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:08 PM
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8. what we need to pay attention to is....
where all those countries that are talking together, are located?? seems to me, we could find ourselves literally surrounded, with countries that have cooperated with one another regarding arms, etc., in order to protect themselves from us...seems the "decider" has united people after all..and we have become our own worst enemy...
wb
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:01 PM
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9. Bingo!
It just seems to me that there are too many countries that have their sights on us, because of the horrible way they have been treated by this administration, their fear of what we might do, and the injustice we have brought down upon them and around them. In the meantime, The Kid is bringing more of our military to Iraq and their waters which would make a good target for several countries, if they were to act in concert.

I've never played war games, but it doesn't take much intelligence to see we could very well be walking into a trap of our own making. I sure hope I'm wrong.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:11 PM
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10. Any war with Russia will be, in the end, a war about oil and gas.
Russia has more natural gas than any other country, and they are using it to control not only nations that were part of the Soviet Union and Warsaw pact, but also nations in Western Europe and East Asia.

Natural gas and oil from the North Sea is in serious decline. Importing liquified natural gas from North and West Africa and the Middle East is very expensive and sometimes dangerous. Europe will then compete against Asia and the Americas for liquified gas in an attempt to keep its homes and businesses warm and powered by relatively clean burning natural gas.

All this compounds the very high residual bad feelings between Russia and the West over the cold war and its aftermath, in which the West laughed in Russia's face and tried to lock up its assets in one of the more stupid moves of the late 20th century.
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