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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 04:28 PM
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Obama challenges Hillary on Iraq (AFP)
Obama challenges Hillary on Iraq

1 hour, 47 minutes ago

AMES, United States (AFP) - US Senator Barack Obama piled pressure on 2008 White
House rival Hillary Clinton over her stand on Iraq, questioning how she would live
up to her vow to end the war.

Differences between the Democratic heavyweights burst into the open over the conflict,
a day after the 45-year-old, who wants to become America's first black president,
officially launched his campaign.

"I am not clear on how she would proceed at this point to wind down the war in a specific
way," Obama told reporters when asked to critique Clinton's plans for ending the bloody
US engagement during a campaign stop in Iowa.

"I know she has stated that she thinks the war should end by the start of the (next)
president's first term, .... beyond that though, how she wants to accomplish that I am
not clear, I would let her address those issues," Obama said.

Obama has put forward a plan to get US combat troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2008.

-snip-

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070211/pl_afp/usvote2008obama_070211194057
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 04:45 PM
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1. He's coming out swinging...
Glad to see it!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:16 PM
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5. Meee Too! hahaha!
Hillary has the benefit of the Big Dog to temper her response..
and she better use him to avoid entrapment.

The plot thickens...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:20 PM
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6. Big Dog campaigned for Lieberman, while Hillary had tea with Lamont
Hillary's tepid support for Lamont, particularly when compared with Big Dog's public appearances with Lieberman, are images that are difficult to forget.
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:32 PM
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9. Bill's appearance with Joe was before the primaries
not after Lamont became the nominee.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:37 PM
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11. Big Dog did not campaign with Lamont after he became the nominee
while Hillary had tea with Lamont at her home, without any reporters present. This was at about the same time that Hillary's favorite pressure group, AIPAC, came out strongly for Lieberman.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:47 PM
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14. Try harder- You pamper yourself too much!
and I say that with all due respect!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 04:57 PM
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2. Touche!
Hillary is quite happy to wait until Inauguration Day on January 20, 2009, BUT there is one point Hillary's supporters fail to note: Hillary did not say that her first act as Commander-in-Chief would be to order the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all US troops out of Iraq. This failure on her part to embrace immediate withdrawal means that a President Hillary will adopt the Iraq War as her own, just as Nixon adopted the Vietnam War in 1969.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:09 PM
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3. Obama's fading, as the McGlaughlin Group noted. It's HRC v. JE in the big ring
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:12 PM
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4. And you believe the former priest John McLoughlin?
Bush succeeded in using the "inevitability" tactic back in 2000. Team Hillary's use of that page of Karl Rove's playbook won't work in 2008. We have been lied and manipulated for too long, that people finally wised up about it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:21 PM
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7. What are you thinkin?
She has the Big Dog at her side that is the best adviser in what to do in the 21st century.
OBama can't even come close to floating a viable plan as complex and workable as the Big Dog can outline..

My money is on the Big Dog and Hillary!
Tried and True performers of giving us 8yrs of Peace and Prosperity.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:30 PM
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8. Are you speaking of the same Big Dog that said Saddam had WMD?
Obama, Kerry, Kucinich, have plans on the table to get us out of Iraq. Where is Hillary's? Her plan seems to be to let Bush slide for 2-more years of carnage. Where is Big Dog on withdrawing from Iraq? He is as silent as his wife.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:40 PM
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13. If you think for a moment thats possible...
I don't want to wake you from your dream sleep..
If on the other hand, you might think, he's keeping it in his pocket
until he's ready to have Hillary disclose the plan...
then I'll give you credit, where credit is due..
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:34 PM
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10. If anybody is losing steam
Is Mr. Edwards...
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:39 PM
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12. what was their evidence?
or do you expect us to simply take the McL. Group's word for it?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:31 AM
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24. Oh please, he's just begun...
Fading my ass. :eyes:
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 06:03 PM
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15. Jim Webb proved that a 550 Million Dollar Campaign can be overcome.
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 06:03 PM by sellitman
That is why I don't believe in the inevitability of Hillary Clinton being our nominee. She may have the money but she doesn't have the grass roots support on the left. The DNC Elitists will eventually loose out if the best they can come up with is Hillary.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 06:43 PM
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16. Headline seems misleading.
He was asked a question about Hillary's plan and he said he didn't know what she had in mind in terms of executing it.

That's pretty much what I got out of that.

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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 06:58 PM
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17. I like Obama but he better be careful
of what he says. The press want a fight between anyone and Clinton. They are under orders from bushie. His claim is that he was against the war is a little disingenuous. He never had to make the decision. To stand up surrounded by people who lied to everyone. The people were fooled by this. They presented a compelling case. Who knew they were crazy. No one really knew or cared what his opinion was he was a statie.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:10 PM
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19. He didn't have to make that decision in the U.S. Senate, you're right
Still, he spoke out against the war, early and often, from many links I've seen on here. I care what his opinion was, no matter what position he held at the time.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:26 PM
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20. "They presented a compelling case"? Hardly!
Anyone that took the trouble to read the British press knew that they were lying. Colin Powell's presentation to the UN was debunked by the Brits almost as soon as he gave his speech.

The real truth is that the DLC was telling Democrats to vote for IWR in order to get the issue off the table, so that then they could talk about the economy.

Most voted for IWR not because they were mislead, but because they didn't want to deal with a war that they thought was only going to last 2-weeks. It was a cold political calculation, and it cost the lives of nearly 3,200 GIs and at least 650,000 Iraqis.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 07:04 PM
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18. Bama might be looking for ideas...
what better way than to gently call out your opponent for disclosure..
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:17 AM
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23. Yup, very misleading
and far from being any kind of stiff challenge. I couldn't agree more, bling bling. It was no more than just the way you described it.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:33 PM
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21. I would let Hillary address those issues as well, end the war because she's the war prez??
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:41 PM
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22. Expect an "answer" soon from HRC...
Carville The Turncoat is quickly devising a "hit story" on Obama with Begala right now. Trust that dirty bastard at your peril.


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