Interesting observations about Hillary Clinton

OK, they are by Peggy Noonan, still

But it is significant that in Mrs. Clinton's case, for the past 30 years, from 1978 through 2007 -- which is to say throughout most, almost all, of her adulthood -- her view of America, and of American life, came through the tinted window of a limousine. (Now the view is, mostly, through the tinted window of an SUV.)

From first lady of Arkansas through first lady of the United States to U.S. senator, her life has been eased and cosseted by staff -- by aides, drivers, cooks, Secret Service, etc. Her life has been lived within a motorcade. And so she didn't have to worry about crime, the cost of things, the culture. Status incubates. Rudy Giuliani was fighting a deterioration she didn't have to face. That's a big difference. It's the difference between the New Yorker in the subway and the Wall Street titan in the town car.

..for the working class than anybody else in history.

I will admit that a Hillary v. Rudi race will probably turn off a lot of people in the Midwest. Although I have family in New York, I have lived in the Midwest long enough to know that Easteners are not trusted over here.

WEST of the Hudson? :evilgrin:

Maybe they should trust less and learn from their mistake.

There are good people all over. And bad ones. But there does seem to be the feeling that the upper east has too much sway and many people in other parts of the nation are annoyed by it. That is fact.

A Rudy/Hillary race would likely produce record low voter turnout.

I'm from the Midwest, although I now live in the Mid-Atlantic area.

My informal Christmas poll revealed one enthusiastic Clinton supporter (the head of the local NEA), five or six less than enthusiastic responses, and two who were horrified at the thought that she might win.

One personally very nice pubbie despised Giuliani; the rest, including his wife, were more along the lines of "Giuliani who?"

from Maryland.

Everyone in the neighborhood was relieved when the Marylanders sold their place, including the NEA person. The Marylanders did not make an effort to fit in, and succeeded in never doing so. I met them once. They had the most obnoxious Scottie that I've ever met.

Obviously Shrub fits in , Out in the middle.

Need I go on?

Grantholm and Stabenow took my home county over Dick (Scamway) DeVos and some tax-cutting idiot from Bloomfield Hills.

I've lived in NY, and it was a good experience. You might benefit from a few years west of the Appalachians.

Like it or not nothing happens, unless it starts here, NY.

But then, I found New Yorkers to be just as fixated only on what was going on in front of their noses as people in other parts of the country.

The internet is great. You can get news and trends from all over the country, not just those that are going on in NY. You might check it out.

We might wanna consider that it is about a NATIONAL office. You are right about people being turned off by a Hillary/Rudy race.

cuts out the superficial.

This b.s. from Nooner is straight from the RNC blast fax. Paint Hillary as a Limousine Liberal to align her with the "Wall Street titan in the town car." Excuse my French, but WTF? Voting members of the public with more than two brain synapses will not accept these lame attempts to reduce candidates to caricatures in this upcoming Prez election cycle.

Just dismissing it as b.s. from RNC will not be enough, as we've seen with the swifters two years ago.

that's real believable. :eyes:

It's particularly amusing in light of the recent photo spread I saw of Guiliani and his wife at their Hamptons estate.

They never grumble about the rich white guys in limos who own the GOP's ass while they set policy.

Pelosi's air travel? Hillary's ride? :wtf:

Wingers tryin mighty hard to act like offended populists all the sudden. Hope Jon Tester smacks 'em around good on the issue :D

rode the subway and whatever po' boy roots he might have had in Brooklyn were long forgotten by the time he became Mayor and Dictator-in-Chief of NYC.

Noonan's just spinning campaign horseshit and we're going to see tons of it from both sides for the next year and a half.

Ignore it all or end up swimming in it.

ignoring the mud that the others are throwing is not going to help in anyone's campaign.

saying "how interesting..."

If bashing Hillary is going to be the favorite sport around here at least do your own work, instead of going to neo con bitches for it.

What next, Ann Coulter's take on Hillary?

Jesus tapdancing Christ.

Is that when all is said and done, the true locus of hatred for Sen. Clinton is on the right, not on the left: recourse to leftist aterials only will soon fail owing to lack of adequate supply and variety. The fact is that it is denizens of the right who fear her campaign will result in victory, and her ocupation of the White House as the country's first woman elected President. The blather about 'Republicans want us to run Hillary, and are trying to make us run Hillary' is nonesense: the Republicans want just about anything but an election that plays in most people's minds as a restoration of the Clintons versus an extention of Bush. To just about everyone in the country nowadays, the nineties are the good old days of prosperity and competent government, even competent military execution and foreign policy. The people want this back, and badly.

I thought the Clinton years were a long national nightmare of war and recession everyone wants to forget!

Wait....

;)

I'm not a Hillary supporter, not in the primaries, and I've bashed her myself. But this is madness, it's like she is the anti-Christ to a subset of the left, worse than Bush and Reagan combined. I have no use for that nonsense.

And my willingness to cover any bets at three for two or better that she takes the nomination is not quite the same thing as support....

But we would be wise in this primary campaign to adopt Reagan's eleventh commandment, suitably altered to "I will not speak ill of a fellow Democrat," and there is certainly no benefit to recirculating rightist slanders here ourselves. In the long run, saying what you like about the candidate you support is more effective at building support for him or her than slurring candidates you do not like.

"Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is at an end."

Pleease! :eyes:

is that somebody here thinks what Peggy Noonan has to say about anything is interesting.

it's also interesting that the poster poses as if he's trying to "help" her.

Interesting... :eyes:

Her values are those of the middle class or european in that regard. Not some elite.

of stink here: http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110009641

I hope old Peg enjoys saying "President Clinton" again.

Calling her among other things, a murderer, adulterer, a lesbian, a perjurer...

Has had asshats like you disparaging her daughters looks on national TV and radio...

Talk about a life of ease you horses ass, you get to sit back and write your drivel, and pretend you actually matter....

Climb back in your hole!!!

... used to trash one of our candidates. It's bad enough that people here are singling out HRC's IWR vote as more egregious than the other 27 Senators, but this is beyond the pale.

it should serve her well in her bid for what used to be the job, that accounted for the world.

:eyes: (We really need a sadly shaking head smiley here at DU)

Sen. Clinton's not my favorite either, but she'd be a helluvalot better than that idiot Rudy.

Bernie Kerik for SecDef? I don't see a contest here.

more down-to-earth type of folks down there. I've never been there, so I can't say for a fact what perks their state officials get, if any.

BTW, doesn't a lot of this "viewing the world through tinted windows" apply to the current occupant of the White House? I mean, grandson of a senator, son of a V.P. and president, former governor - don't see much contact with us common folk there.

:eyes:

importance ,just one more Slur.

She has had to fight and scramble every day. She may not know poverty and the struggles of the everyday man and woman, but she knows hard work. She knows both the good and the dark side of power. She has been tested.

Not sure if she will be my choice, not sure if she would make a good president. I do know she has the ability to do the job, and I know she is tough enough to handle the pressure.

Don't ever bet against her.

wearing a flashy gold metalic scarf/tie - she seems to be taking cue from Barrack who always looks good in black or any other color to date...

Bush pretty much lived his entire life separated from us commoners. I just wonder if she made this observation about him?

Proceeded to write a column in which she pretended to be the spirit of Paul Wellstone looking over his funeral and chiding the Democrats for how it was conducted. I've never forgiven her for the brazen audacity she had in mimicking a man who did more for his state, his nation and the world in one second of his life than she will ever accomplish in her entre pathetic lifetime. This is the same author who wrote whiny columns in Reader's Digest during the 1990s bleating about how the Clintons had destroyed the integrity of the White House which Reagan and * had supposedly restored regardless of the fact that while she was secretary there in the 1980s, her boss and his VP were probably in the next room talking about selling arms to terrorists/the Iranian government/Contras/whoever else

I will never, never treat an article that this imbecile has written with any iota of respect, regardless of my own opinion about Hilary.