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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:29 PM
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Media Matters:"Myths and falsehoods about Hillary Rodham Clinton"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200702130005


On January 20, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) announced the formation of her presidential exploratory committee. Yet despite the claim by conservative news outlets such as Fox News that the Washington press corps is "pulling for her," media reports and commentary are already rife with myths and falsehoods regarding her record, her motivations, and Americans' perceptions of her, as Media Matters for America documents below. Whether new or old, these erroneous claims reinforce the baseless and often demonstrably false characterizations of Clinton commonly perpetuated by the media -- that she is "calculating," "dishonest," "vicious," "ruthless," "unelectable," "unlikable," and even "unqualified."

Media frequently portray Clinton as "calculating" or overly ambitious, motivated by political considerations rather than conviction. These assertions are rarely accompanied by actual examples or support.....

In recent years, the media have also regularly described Clinton as repositioning herself to attract one set of voters or another. For instance, CNN has previously reported that there exist "two Senator Clintons" -- one that appeals to progressive Democrats and one that appeals to moderates.

This pervasive view of Clinton manifests itself in knee-jerk reactions to her actions, sometimes to the point of absurdity -- as in the case of Slate.com editor Jacob Weisberg, who analyzed the songs reportedly on her iPod and found that the playlist "suggests premeditation, if not actual poll-testing."

Critics often cite Clinton's views on reproductive choice as an example of her repositioning. For instance, Chris Matthews has described Clinton as purportedly shifting her stance on abortion in a "transparent" effort to recover the so-called "values vote." He has also accused her of "trying to play it safe" on the issue by taking a "poll-tested path." Matthews has pointed to her assertion in a July 25, 2006, speech that abortion should be "safe, legal, and rare" as an example of her changing position on the issue. But far from representing a point of departure from earlier statements, Clinton's remarks in July were consistent with those she made in a January 22, 1999, speech. While first lady, she said: "But all too often, generally because of the loudest voices, the American people don't hear explained the efforts that we're engaged in to continue to work with people from all different walks of life to make abortion safe, legal, and rare."

But the claim that Clinton was once one of the "staunchest" backers" of the Iraq war does not withstand scrutiny -- nor does the claim that her criticism of the war is recent. While Clinton did vote in favor of the 2002 resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq, less than seven months after the war began, she expressed doubt about President Bush's leadership in the war, saying in an October 17, 2003, floor statement, that her "yes" vote for an $87 billion supplemental appropriation "was a vote for our troops, it was a vote for our mission. ... t was not a vote for our national leadership." During the same statement, Clinton accused the Bush administration of having "gilded the lily" on pre-war Iraq intelligence at "the cost of perhaps not being able to take actions in the future that are necessary to our well-being and our interests because we may look like the nation or at the least the administration that cried wolf."



And much, much more.....
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:35 PM
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1. I heard most of this on a news program yesterday. Thank you for posting.
I was just listening, so I'm not sure which outlet was actually giving facts for a change.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:47 PM
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2. I guess the truth doesn't sell papers...or increase ratings...nt
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:02 PM
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15. Hey! You don't have a heart!
So here you go! :)
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:11 AM
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27. Thank you. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:51 PM
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3. thanks
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:51 PM
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4. We could use a candidate info debunking forum here.
Much dis/misinformation is spread here like a nasty virus about candidates out of sheer venom, and one in particular. I just don't get the hate spewed at the Clintons here at DU. I really don't. I seems very anti-Democratic to me, and that surprises and sickens many folks out there; trust me on that.

Thanks for posting this.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:56 PM
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5. I'm waitin for the first post telling me MediaMatters is a DLC tool...
You know its coming!!!

:-)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:02 PM
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6. first they attack the source
and then they attack you personally ... and so it goes
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Clinton_Co_Regulator Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:40 PM
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9. What was that group who launched Media Matters again?
Oh that's right, the Center for American Progress.

Hopefully you and I are the only DUers who know that C.A.P. was founded by a whole squadron of ex Clinton staffers. :eyes:
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:58 PM
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14. Apparently, you ARE the only ones who "know" this, since it's not true
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 07:04 PM by beaconess
CAP did NOT launch Media Matters - although this is a common right wing nutcase talking point. CAP provided financial assistance to MM, as did moveon.org, George Soros and many other progressive groups and individuals. Media Matters was founded by David Brock - not exactly an "ex Clinton staffer."
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Clinton_Co_Regulator Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:18 PM
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19. David Brock did it all alone? Get real!
CAP did in fact help launch MM, unless you consider the NYT a right wing nut case newspaper. :eyes:

MM also got substantial financial help form the New Democratic Network.





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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:50 PM
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23. "helped launch" - as in being one of numerous financial supporters
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 09:52 PM by beaconess
is very different than the claim you originally made, obviously intending to give the impression that MM and CAP are directly affiliated and that, therefore, Media Matters debunking of right wing smears against Hillary was the result of this connection, instead of what Media Matters does for ALL progressive candidates when lies are spread about them.

Your vicious and petty attempt to fool people into believing that Media Matters is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the nefarious Clinton machine and that their failure to join in (or even ignore) the every-present Hillary-bashing is proof thereof, reaches a new low in the circular firing squad the anti-Hillary crowd is so intent on forming.
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Clinton_Co_Regulator Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:22 PM
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30. So it is true now?
pfft
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:44 PM
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41. No - and it wasn't true when you wrote it.
But you probably already know that.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:42 PM
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10. Ask and ye shall receive (nt)
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:43 PM
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11. You knew it was comin...
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 06:44 PM by SaveElmer
Step 1. Attack the source...

Doesn't matter that there are at least 3 articles on the frontpage defending Obama from media lies...



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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:20 PM
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8. I totally agree
I get so tired of the anti-Hillary threads. I got tired of trying to be the voice of reason. I remember the same thing happening when Wes Clark entered the scene. It just seems so destructive to dis your own party candidates.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 08:22 PM
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20. Look at all your hearts!
Your whip makes people happy!!! }(
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:25 PM
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34. There's something intriguing about a lady with a whip
who's also got a lot of heart at the same time. I guess when AK snaps that whip of hers, people take notice. ;)

How's it goin' AZBlue. :hi:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:59 PM
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38. Happy Valentine's Day mtnsnake! You must be right about the whip.
Are you buried under 5 feet of snow?? I'll be good and not tell you what the temperature is here in Arizona (if you'll be good and not tell me what the temp is there in July!).
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 08:18 PM
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46. Happy Valentines Day to you, AZBlue!
I'm not buried under 5 feet of snow yet, although it's coming down pretty good right now. We're used to winter up here. A couple hours south of me they've gotten between 10 and 12 feet of snow in the last 10 days in the famous snow belt between Watertown and Syracuse. Up further north where I am, we get the incredibly low temperatures, often well below zero in January and February in the mornings....just the way I like it!

Stay cool, Blue!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:15 PM
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21. WOT? You haven't created one yet?
with.... a Link?


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:45 PM
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22. my kitty got tweaked
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 09:48 PM by AtomicKitten
when I made him an avatar ...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:03 PM
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7. Kicked and recommended. I'm no big fan of Hillary, but the hatemongering is just shameful. NT.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:47 PM
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12. Excellent debunking.
Clinton's been slammed for everything but the color of her nail polish...or did I miss that?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 06:58 PM
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13. I'm sure someone somewhere has...nt
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:12 PM
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16. And most of the lies echo around DU like a fart in a warehouse
We do alot of rove's work for him.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:58 PM
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18. Exactly! nt
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:57 PM
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17. K & R. And bookmarked.
Thanks for posting. :hi:

I have some qualms about HRC... just as I have some qualms about all the candidates. In fact, just as I've had some qualms about EVERY elected official I've ever voted for!

But the POISON that's spewed at her, even here on DU... ugh. It's unreal. Nice to see Media Matters doing what it does so well: sorting through the spin to try to get at actual facts.

What did we used to call that? "Journalism," or something? I dunno, it was a long time ago, it seems. ;)

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:33 PM
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24. Media Matters? They're DLC CORPORATE SELL OUT WHORES!!!
..no, wait...

Maybe the piece should read like this:

Yet despite the claim by conservative news outlets such as Fox News and "progressive" outlets like Democratic Underground that the Washington press corps is "pulling for her," media reports and commentary are already rife with myths and falsehoods regarding her record...

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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:50 PM
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25. Media Matters - DLC shills. nt.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:57 PM
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26. David Brock sure has come a long way from his days of
trashing Hillary Clinton when he was a right wing hatchet man in the 90's. He even wrote a whole book on her fer chrissake. His redemption continues.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 11:13 AM
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29. Absolutely...
It really is an amazing transformation...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:08 PM
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32. "Blinded by the Right"
was a real baptism by fire - he earned my respect coming clean like that
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:45 PM
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42. I was really wary of his "conversion" at first, but he has proven me wrong
He is a true patriot and is doing incredible work.
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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:36 AM
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28. K&R
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Debs Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:06 PM
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31. MMFA is a great site
And a good resource. I post there all the time. I love the place
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:20 PM
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33. "it was a vote for our mission" - what mission?
The one even DUers knew was based on a lie?

The nonexistent mission to "spread democracy"?

What, exactly, was the mission she's talking about?

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:49 PM
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35. Hey, Zhade... got them links yet?
You know, proving Clinton called himself a Republican and the DLC & PNAC share an office and phone number?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:54 PM
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36. I also heard...
They had a secret handshake and all wore special decoder rings...

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:57 PM
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37. well, what I'm referring to are actual claims...
...made by the poster in question, obviously thinking people would take him at his word.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:04 PM
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39. Yeah...
I was just mocking him adding a couple just as ridiculous claims...for his future use!!!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:16 PM
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40. I already addressed wyldwolf on this once before.
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 07:24 PM by Zhade
I retracted the one claim as a mistake (someone else said Clinton said it) and the other as unable to locate again in the DU archives.

He knows this, but he pretends I've never addressed it, so I stopped responding to him.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:46 PM
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43. hmm... I don't recall that. Perhaps you did.
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 07:48 PM by wyldwolf
But the retraction is lame (imagine if we wrote off every false thing we said with "I heard someone else say it.")

The other claim is real easy to verify.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 08:10 PM
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44. Since you're not outright denying my having addressed it, I'll respond.
Perhaps it was lame, but it was also true. I misremembered what someone talking about BC said as BC himself saying it. Such things happen.

As for the second one, it was in years-ago PPI/DLC threads. At the time you challenged me on this, I was not a donor and couldn't search. Now that I can search, I can't find it.

You'll note, I hope, that once it became clear I couldn't support the assertions, I withdrew them. So can you please stop accusing me of not addressing a subject I already did, and have again?

Thank you.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 05:45 AM
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48. I'll meet you half way.
As lame as the first "out" was, I'll accept. The second claim, no. It is too easy to verify.

As Ed Kilgore of the DLC often says, there are too many real issues to debate the DLC on without people making stuff up.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 08:12 PM
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45. Now that the little sidetrack distraction is settled, can someone answer me?
What mission was she supporting?

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:47 AM
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47. Did she or did she not
work for years as a corporate lawyer while hubby Bill was the Gov of Ark?

Does she or does she not embrace the corporatist mindset?

That is enough to make me pray she doesn't get the nomination....
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 10:17 AM
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49. The thing about Hillary
as a fellow DUer aptly put it recently, she says things that are like clouds in the sky, you can look at it and imagine it to be anything you want.

I had such hope for her when she came out against the VRWC. How disappointing it was to discover she didn't comprehend it went beyond her and Bill. Her speech on the IWR proved that by her willingness to take the PNAC's frontman/puppet at his word.

Can you say special kind of stupid? Sure, I knew you could.

Julie
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