Does anyone else find this extremely disturbing?

After seeing "Friends of God", the documentary by Alexandra Pelosi I went to this Christian comedian's site because his comments in the documentary infuriated me. He was very angry and said something about how the Christians needed to "take back America".

Anyway while perusing the site I came upon this one posted who had this signature line at the bottom of her posts.



"Since the start of the Iraq war, 5,065,726 American children have died from ABORTION"


Is it just me or is there something very disturbing about this? Is this woman saying that these unborn children are more important that our soldiers or the Iraqi born children? No child is left without a father or mother or sister or brother in her scenario.


The note is in a little box that I didn't think I could copy so here is the link. Her post is the 2nd and there are several on the page.



http://www.bradstine.com/boards.htm

They would be the first to say it should be born and the first to deny it help after delivery. It's the GOP thing.

As opposed to not being born.

What a bunch of fucking freekos! They make my hair hurt.

abortion rates have fallen substantially, and she is making this shit up, unless she is adding morning after pills

Because of the morning after pill or because of the lower cost easily accessible birth control pill. Condom dispensers in public restrooms have probably helped also!


It probably has a lot to do with people being open about sexuality now. I'm sure many people did not get birth control in my mother's day if they were not married just because of shame.

but the rates have fallen, or at least the reported number has fallen.

If the biblical Mary, an unwed mother, had had an abortion there would be no Jesus. They are expecting Jesus to return, ergo no woman, especially Christian woman, should have access to abortions because they could be killing Jesus. So, in that woman's mind, there is a fear that Jesus might have been among that number.

and on edit: yes, I find it very disturbing.

who will carry him to term if He knows everything! Besides isn't He supposed to come back as an adult?

I do get your point though about the virgin Mary. Never thought about it that way before.

It's the only thing that makes sense.

and the pro-lifers only think about the baby about to be born. Neither is an accurate way by itself to think about what's going on in the womb, but people like to be black and white about things, so it's either a lump of tissue or human being, and not both at different times and something else in between.

People should at least be intellectually honest when they talk about this issue.

intellectually honest about this issue.

Tell me what was going on in my womb all three times I was pregnant.

Or if you had a third trimester abortion or taken the morning after pill that would be emotionally and morally the same?

I prefer that we leave the laws as they are, and make the early methods as accessible as possible after safety testing. There are even times when late abortions are justified, but it is dishonest to say the thing in your womb is just a nob of tissue the whole nine months.

than anything else here.

You have no fucking right to tell any woman how she feels, or should feel about a pregnancy, miscarriage or abortion. It is as individual as each woman. Your reply reminds me of the pictures of those male legislators signing anti-abortion regulations into law. You have about the same level of sensitivity.

Come tell me all about your feelings the next time you are pregnant.

In the meantime, be supportive of women's rights, and shut up.

A pro-life person has little evidence to back up saying that an undifferentiated ball of cells is fully human, but pro-choice people are being equally dishonest when they pretend a baby that could be viable outside the womb is the same as that ball of cells, and they hurt their credibility when they do.

When someone says "shut up" it usually means they know their argument is weak.

unless, the life of the mother is at risk or the baby is seriously deformed in some manner, which then makes it a totally different argument.

Most state laws forbid abortion after around the 21st to 25th week of pregnancy, anyway, for that reason.

... IMHO, both "sides" of the abortion debate are nutso.

Just because you don't like the rhetoric of some pro-choice people, that makes their desire to keep women from being forced to be mothers insane?

... talk in absolutes. Black and white. Do you think a woman should be able to abort a 6 month fetus? Ok, it's not black and white.

It's the woman's choice, not mine or yours or anyone else's. It's her body.

There could be any myriad of reasons to abort a six-month old fetus (such as certain death of the mother if the child is carried to term), or no reason, and I'd STILL answer the same way.

Not. My. Call.

.. is oh so PC but oh so bullshit also. Discussion over, you get to be the perfect liberal.

I mean what I said. It's not my business, and it's not yours either.

YOU don't decide for women. Nor do I. Hate the answer? I don't really fucking care.

... a six month old "fetus" is NOT just the "woman's decision". Got it, *******?

and been surrounded by religious fanatics.

Until that clump of cells reaches the point of a fully-formed cerebral cortex, it is not a human child. This isn't really debatable, since all available evidence shows that one must have a cerebral cortex in order to have a distinct consciousness and thus actually BE human.

It doesn't fit their paradigm. See, you're being rational about this. You think things through and make logical, rational decisions. You're willing to learn and have what you learn help form your opinions. They don't.

While you've spent your time learning that had other priorities to make sense of the world. For instance, they are learn the geneology of a carpenter named Joseph, who, if I understand the religion well enough, isn't even biologically connected to Jesus. So, why aren't they studying the geneology of the woman who, along with their god, created their savior? I mean, why learn the geneology of one man when his role is so minimal? See, the religion doesn't always make sense and this is reflected in how they view the world.

In other words, while I agree with what you say, it isn't how they see things.

NT!

They don't think he could prevent his own abortion? Isn't he God?

I'm just trying to see things from their perspective so I can understand how they think better. Besides, they expect that they will stop the abortion of their returned Jesus before it happens. It will be one of their miracles. See, it all ties together if you just try to think about it from their perspective.

Wow.

Instead of insane asylums they prefer milling around outside women's health clinics.

I had a miscarriage about ten years ago and I needed to go in for a D&C to remove what was left. My other option was to continue hemorrhaging until my body expelled the rest on its own. I figured it was better for me physically and emotionally to have the medical procedure and begin healing. The best women's health center in the area, not surprisingly, also performed abortions. And, in fact, I was going in for a D&C that was categorized as a "therapeutic abortion."

A friend was driving me to have the procedure and we were met with some very angry people telling me I could be killing Jesus, among other things. I wanted to tell them that "Jesus" had already left the womb but if they wanted what was left, I just might be able to accomodate them but decided against it. It was my first encounter with the wackos from "Operation Rescue" crowd of religious fundamentalists who are staunchly anti-abortion. All in all it was a pretty unpleasant experience.

If those nuts think this, they're, well, just ill-informed.

According to prophecy, Jesus returns from Heaven as a man - an adult - in the body he was in when he was resurrected. In other words, a 30-ish year old man.

The only person who will be born a baby is the anti-Christ.

Damn, not only are these wingnuts odd in the belief systems, they don't even know the story of what's supposed to happen, based on faith, regarding Jesus's return.

they all seem to have their own interpretations. :shrug:

For eons Mary's CHOICE was hailed as the first YES to the plan of Christ and salvation. We don't know whether she was the first or fiftieth woman asked, but she was ASKED and made a CHOICE. That flies in the face of the anti-abortion belief, since it allows a woman to CHOOSE, so they concocted this abortion hysteria in its place.

You abort an embryo or a fetus.

A child is a breathing, viable person. They twist language to shock and appeal to emotion. Children are not aborted.

It's dishonest and misleading the way they frame their argument - totally manipulative.

American CHILDREN don't die from abortion. They die from poverty, lack of good health care, and maybe abuse by parents who perhaps should have explored the option of abortion before they had a baby then beat it to death at the age of five.

My god, these fundies are so full of it.

me". It used to make me mad but now I'm kind of laughing at the stupidity of the whole thing.

It's sad and sick. It's gets so old, ya know?

I don't refer to anybody as a child unless they are are living breathing person, outside the womb.

While still in utero, it's a fetus. I never argued one way or the other if a viable fetus (viable meaning, "could survive if born at said gestational age") should/could be aborted.

I merely stated that calling a fetus a "child" is using tricky language aimed at appealing to emotion to promote an anti-choice agenda.

evasion.

I agree that the pro-life people are being dishonest to pretend it's a "child" all the way back to the moment of conception.

But hell, most people make inaccurate assumptions about others all the time. Nothing new.

for a republi-con, the right to life begins at conception and ends at birth.

It hasn't been some 'loopy' pro-choice Democrat. It was pro-life George W. Bush. What I find so hypocritical about the religious right is the fact that it seems abortion rates rise or the number of abortions still stays high under Republicans. Talk about hypocrisy, the GOP thinks they can talk a good game about abortions and yet do nothing about them.

Bill Clinton said abortions should be rare, safe, and legal. In 2004, John Kerry said the same thing. I'm sure Gore said something of the sort in 2000, not sure. Democrats are willing to give the youth of America a proper education about sex and protecting against unwanted pregnancies. Republicans want us to educate them solely about abstinence (and abstinence should be out there--but so should education about birth control and etc.) and then turn around and think abortion rates won't increase.

As the bumper sticker says "the religious right is neither"

Why? Because they are hypocrites. They want Abortion to be an issue to win elections, and once they get into office they largely ignore the issue.

You really have to GET that they consider life to begin at conception. Complete, sentient, souled, life, to them, begins at conception. Of course these little lives, to them, are as important as any life. I don't understand why that is hard for pro-choicers to understand. If you think they are Full Little Humans, what else could your stand be.

Just fyi, in case it sounds like I understand TOO well, I am pro-choice and I've had an abortion.

I just "get" it because I've spoken to them, personally, or to one I should say. I had a neighbor guy, a leftist, a sweetie, a hippie, like me...but he was not pro-choice. He was the first I've ever been able to talk to. I was probably able to speak to him because he was not a radical pro-lifer. He didn't believe in killing abortion doctors and he didn't impede women going into clinics, etc. ...but it made him weep. Truly made him WEEP. He had been a seminarian so...a leftist, Catholic, hippie. The way he spoke about those little babies, I "got" it. I didn't agree and I don't but to him it was no different than if you walked into a nursery school and let loose with an AK47.
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their child's SEXUALITY would be those fundies would very quickly make an 'exception' in their abortion stance.

If you recall Sun Hudson was the infant in Texas, with a life-threatening medical condition, and the hospital, in conjunction state of Texas, in its infinite wisdom, determined life support could not be continued, because Sun's mother couldn't afford the care. The hospital pulled the plug and little Sun passed away in minutes...

And I am sure there are some kids ex utero who had similar predicaments.

That website: Lamest.Analogy.Evah!

They don't have facts on their side so they must resort to lies, fearmongering, diversion and evasion.

They forgot to include the number of "children"(blastulas, embyros, fetus) aborted by god, which I think is estimated at 2.7 million a year in the US.