"Al Gore can do more as a civilian.."

Is a lie. It's not just wrong. It's a lie. It's a downright lie.

Those here who truly believe this are lying to themselves. They're lying to everyone they post this message to.

Main Entry: 3lie
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): lied; ly·ing /'lI-i/
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English lEogan; akin to Old High German liogan to lie, Old Church Slavic lugati
intransitive verb
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression

It is deceitful to say that Al Gore could not make a much more significant impact as President of the United States of America.

It is untrue to say that as a civilian Al Gore can change the environment more successfully if he was not President of the United States.

It is false, and misleading, to say that Al Gore is making a significant impact now and creating significant change in our environment.

Al Gore, as President of the United States of America can inact far reaching and highly significant measures to completely remove the USA from dependence on foreign oil. He can create, in the span of two terms in office, unrelenting growth in renewable technologies that no other person in the world can do. As President of the United States, he would have the most significant position in the world, and the political pressure that goes along with it to inact that change.

Al Gore's goal is to change the environment.

Hillary, Obama, and Edwards all place changing the environment near the bottom of their list of goals (according to their websites which I checked and double checked just now). In the end their goals are quite similar, in fact. But I see no indication that the environment is the #1 priority here.

The political pressure that would come from a global warming message would immediately prioritize the act of helping America reduce its dependence on foreign oil. This would immediately reduce the stress of foreign actors, and at the same time create innovation and development in our own country (thus partially solving the problems relating to health care, energy dependence, and poverty; all things the other candidates talk about working on).

Al Gore can run on one platform and one platform only. Fix Global Warming Now. Renewable energy and resources is directly related to a stable economy (renewablity is an economic equllibrium). It is directly related to many health related problems (pollution caused). It is directly related to poverty (the lack of innovation in our country is harming us; everything is being exported overseas).

Don't lie to me. Don't lie to others here who understand just what Al Gore can do as President of the United States of America. I'm tired of it. Every thread. It happens every thread. I don't care if you guys bicker amongst yourselves about other candidates. But don't lie about Al Gore.

He is my President. But as my President I see that he is largely nutered by the processes he must endure. He can talk all he wants, do slide shows all he wants, but the only way, the only guarantee that the policies he advocates can actually make it, is through his being President.

Al Gore, The New Deal. The Innovation Deal. That's what it's going to take to change the country. No one else can truly offer that. And anyone who says so is lying.

in view of the fact that you completely disagree with the quoted remark.

I think Al Gore is keeping his options open right now, watching how the "pre-season" goes. I don't think he yet knows what he will do in 2008.

There is no hurry for Gore to enter the race for 2008. He is doing a great job raising public awareness about the climate crisis. He will testify at a Congressional Hearing in Washington on March 21st.

Gore is also busy working on his next book "The Assault on Reason" - to be published in May. The theme of this book - why we need better decision-making in government - is very timely (whether he runs or not).

Depending on how things pan out, and the reaction to his book, Gore can consider his situation over the summer and announce his decision (or if you prefer - "change his mind") sometime in the fall.

Don't forget that Bill Clinton did not kick-off his campaign until October 1991. But Al Gore already has nationwide respect and name recognition that other wannabees can only wish for!

And by the way - Gore is younger than Hillary, Clark, McCain and Guiliani (I'm not saying age is the most important factor - but you should be ready to serve for a full 8 years).

Unless and until Gore endorses another candidate, we have to assume that he is keeping his options open. So it is too soon for those of us who prefer Gore to switch our allegiance.


Let's all find ways to show our support for Al Gore! :patriot:

Read Rolling Stone magazine: WHY GORE SHOULD RUN -- AND HOW HE CAN WIN
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13248532/why_gore_should_run__and_how_he_can_win

Get ready for Al Gore's next book - The Assault on Reason - out in May!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/16/AR2006091600877.html

Visit the following websites:
www.algore.com
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com - Sign the petition! :)

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...I am endorsing and agreeing with that theme? When you put something in quotes it takes on a different context. I am by no means "agreeing" with the quoted text. I intentionally posted a polarizing thread title to get people to understand my frustration here.

I don't even know if Al Gore is running. I have a $50 bet with someone that he'll run, but I really don't know. (I have a $500 bet with someone that he'll win if he runs, which is a whole other discussion.)

This is about the straw man, the feable one at that, that Al Gore can be more successful with his message now as a civilian than he can be as President. It's just inconcievable that anyone could actually believe that. I think people need to stop lying to themselves.

For all those of us who believe that it does matter who becomes the next President of the USA, then we should try to make sure our nominee is the best available person for the job.

Al Gore is the best-qualified and most experienced person to be our next President.

It's true that there are other ways he can make a difference, but without the right leadership in the Whitehouse, it will be very hard to implement the changes we need.


Let's all find ways to show our support for Al Gore! :patriot:

Read Rolling Stone magazine: WHY GORE SHOULD RUN -- AND HOW HE CAN WIN
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13248532/why_gore_should_run__and_how_he_can_win

Get ready for Al Gore's next book - The Assault on Reason - out in May!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/16/AR2006091600877.html

Visit the following websites:
www.algore.com
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com - Sign the petition! :)

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When I saw it in quotes I knew the post would be addressing that particular school of thought.

Just my .0125

Julie

Now that's a Presidential team I could rally behind.

http://vastleft.blogspot.com/2006/06/wish-you-were-gore.html

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I still think if the timing is right, if there's no clear front-runner, he will join the race and win -- and help restore America's greatness. Damn, I hope so.

He would accomplish much more as president

I still have hope that he will jump in at the right time

Just sayin'.

crap spouted to belittle the promise of a gore presidency.

...because he can't win the presidential fight.

He had Bill's shoulders to stand on in 2000 and he didn't pull it off then. He did win the popular vote, but that's not how elections are won at home.

He has little chance in the south, didn't even win his home state...and his robot-ike delivery isn't endearing. Next to Obama he sounds like an English teacher for those who have never spoken English. His train has come and gone, leave the presidency to someone who can pick up at least one southern state...

...keep lecturing and making movies.

Would you like to get in on the action? Assuming that is allowed by DU policies. I could use another $500.

If he runs.

BTW, this topic isn't about him running, it's just trying to dispell the myth that he is more valuable as a civilian.

Bill's shoulders? Aren't you forgetting the Lewinsky "scandal"? President Clinton's untruthful public statements concerning his serious misbehavior in the workplace and wholly inappropriate manipulation of a vulnerable star-struck young intern (enough to get any manager fired from his job). Dubya's promise to "restore integrity to the Whitehouse" that helped him start out with a 20-point lead over Gore.

Florida is an important and populous southern state. All the evidence I have seen would suggest that the people of Florida tried to elect Al Gore, but they were frustrated by the manipulation and interference of Katherine Harris, Theresa LaPore, Joe Lieberman (who stupidly called for all votes from overseas military to be counted - even if they missed the deadline), James Baker and 5 judges on the US Supreme Court.

Al Gore fought for 36 days to defend the rights of Florida's voters. 4 out of 9 judges on the US Supreme Court agreed with Gore that the recounts should be allowed to continue.

Democrats are now in a position where with the right candidate they can win a lot of states that we consider red based on the official results from 2000 and 2004. I am confident that if Al Gore becomes the Dem nominee for President next year, he will win both Florida and Tennessee (assuming that measures are taken to ensure clean procedures for both casting and counting of votes).

But I am not saying that Al Gore is the only potential Dem candidate who could win one or more southern states. Clark, Obama or Edwards could do it too. Maybe Hillary could win in Arkansas? :eyes:

In Gore We Trust

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The economy just started to go into recession, so he had the economic history of some good times...the tech bubble hadn't popped.

That he didn't use Bill...that was his own tactical calculation...but Al blew the debates...and that opened a huge door for Bush. Bill did have baggage, true, but he had twhat they called "the economy stupid."

Though he has accomplished a lot already as a civilian, there is much more to do and galvanizing an entire world is a big job. He has attracted the help of thousands already... we need this to be a global effort and therefore need a globally led movement by someone with the power to lead.

A Gore presidency would re-establish America's credibility, he knows what our govt looked like before it was torn apart by this gang of thugs, and he has the respect of world leaders who would follow his lead in addressing this important issue.

There are some here who either have bought into the RW talking points of 2000 and have never bothered to seek any further information, and there are some who have Gore as some earth guru/messiah who think that his running for president would somehow sully his purity of intent.

Al Gore was my choice in 2000; he came back on my radar screen after his heroics during Hurricane Katrina; he brought me to my feet cheering, clapping, and crying with his speech on MLK day in 2006; and he rose head and shoulders above any other candidate in my eyes after seeing his documentary this past summer. I want a person with integrity, courage, vision, experience, intelligence, and a sense of humor for my president. The only one who's got all that is Al Gore. My president!

Al Gore is my president.

is, "Well, we Dems should just concentrate on building majorities in the House and in the Senate, and not spend everything on getting the WH back." This is just as fallacious as the one about President Gore. I do not need to waste time deconstructing either school of thought; their problems are obvious.

He's deliberately staying coy on the issue, but when all is said and done, Al Gore will be in the race.

As POTUS, Gore would be stuck in political crap.

Now, as a free agent, he can do what he wants and follow his heart.

If you read his book or listened to him, he is following his heart now working on the environment as his sole focus.

This post is not saying whether or not he'll come back. This post is simply debunking the myth that he would be better off as a civilian. Such rubbish.

It may be deceitful to say that but that shows mere deceit, not the necessary intent to make the comment a lie.

Edit: Not to mention it seems one must know the statement is false in order to be deceiving in professing its opposite.

Everyone knows just how much more powerful a POTUS is than a civilian. If they don't they're extremely ignorant and shouldn't be making such statements to begin with.

France does it, why can't we?

You know that, right? And it doesn't have that much to do with there not being a lot of them being made. It's more about, well, the fact that they take tons of concrete and such to make.

Time to give up the ghost.

It's something like "We can accomplish more in a day in the White House than we will be able to accomplish in a whole year once we're not here anymore."

If Gore runs and wins, he can definitely do more about global warming as POTUS. But if he runs and loses it could possibly detract from his efforts.

He'd just go back to doing his slide show and giving speeches everywhere. Even if he got a drop in interest it would come right back the next time a big hurricane hits or another heat wave hits or another ice flow drops.

Global warming is happening, it's not going to go away, and if he ran and lost it would not be the end of his message.

Yeah. Right.

Yeah, Al Gore could do so much more as a civilian!

I think what you mean is "as a private citizen" instead of as an elected official.

It seems others phrase it the way I quoted it though. And while "non-civilian" may not be the strictly correct term for POTUS, it does seem like the POTUS isn't really a civilian (their lives are dramatically different from civilians, like actual non-civilians like firefighters, police, military, etc).