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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:17 AM
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Batshit Crazy Political Prediction
I dunno ..... maybe its these new meds I'm using ........ or all the oxygen that's now coursing through my brain and heart is turning my reasoning power to overdrive and therefor, to overload ........ or maybe I'm just plain nuts.

But here's the vision that has been dancing in my brain for quite a while now .....

The 08 primaries have started waaaaaaay too early. The few who announced early caused those who wanted to wait to just follow along and jump in far earlier than they'd planned. The common wisdon says they'll draw all the money and no one can enter late and hope to survive. Of course, we all know that's poppycock. The only money in play right now is the high roller bucks. And were it not for campaign finance laws, the money river would be at flood stage. There's quite simply plenty of money for even the late comers to get all they need if they're seen as worthy.

Meanwhile, the early jumper-inners of both parties will keep beating the pulp out of each other, rooted along by the media, who love nothing better than a good cat fight, complete with bloodied noses. It will not take long for those now in the race to be devolved in the public consciousness to little better than Britany or Anna Nicole or the latest Idol reject who flashed her tits on a my space account.

That, of course, throws the odds to the late adopters.

So here we go. Stinky can't let go of the idea that those not now in the race will be the ones carrying their party's standard come November of 2008.

On the Republic side, J.E.B. will play some role. They just can't resist a Bush. But he won't have the staying power as his brother's stench will be simply too powerful. look for Newt to play the supporting role on the ticket, with either Riley or his neighbor, Haley, playing the lead role.

Stinky says: Barbour/Gingrich.

On our side, its a slam dunk for the lead role. The supporting role is the more intriguing. I see only two possibles: Richardson or Clark. In the end, Clark will never formally enter the race, but will stay very close to real party power - the Gore camp. Gore enters the race very late - maybe even perilously close to the filing deadlines. He will have been effectively drafted into the race and will immediately and completely shut down every other candidate. When its time to name number 2, he'll choose Clark, the only other one who sat it all out and worked at whatever it was he could rather than pander for votes.

Al Gore will show himself to be an even bigger rock star than the Big Dawg.

I will now go back and contact my doc ....... my meds may need some adjustment.

Or not.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:22 AM
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1. Ho, ho! Adjust those meds, Stinky!
If the GOP runs a Barbour/Gingrich ticket, I'll eat my shorts. Gingrich isn't even going to get in the running. That vile little muppet-voiced dupe is only flirting with a presidential campaign to bump up his speaking fees and sell copies of his new book. He even makes George Bush gasp in shame at being in the shame party.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:27 AM
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2. Glad to hear that your feeling better. I have stayed away from
posts who talk about those running their campaigns early. But I like that idea of Al Gore showing himself to be an even bigger rock star than the Big Dawg. He was able to get care to those stuck in Hurrican Katrina, when the current one rode around in a plane. I don't think you need an adjustment- It sounds very sane to me.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:27 AM
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3. Clark said he was considering entering the race
while talking to Stephanie Miller today. I think he's serious--got that from the tone of his voice.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:28 AM
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4. Gore Clark is an awesome ticket, cannot be defeated!!!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:28 AM
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5. I love the Gore/Clark assessment
but dear gawd, please no Barbour, don't do that to the nation, though the repugs deserve him.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:36 AM
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6. I'd be happy to personally cast a few dozen votes for Gore/Clark!!
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:38 AM
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7. I think J.E.B. will be on the ticket.
The true believers who vote in Republican primaries can't smell the rot. My guess he will get the vice presidential slot.

As for us, I think it is going to be Gore/X. I would like to see Clark fill the slot.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:41 AM
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9. I disagree with the Jeb speculation. Behind the scenes, he's already in the Romney camp n/t
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:56 AM
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10. Loyalty which they hope will win him the second slot on the ticket.
If I were Mitt, I'd be very nervous.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:22 PM
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11. Maybe so. I don't doubt that Jeb will run at some point, but...
I think it more likely that he'll run in 2012 or 2016.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:26 PM
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13. Then it will be Romney/Jeb
Horrors...another bush! The Conservatives love him and just may put him at the top of the ticket or how about a Barber/Jeb ticket? The thugs aren't satisfied with McCain or Rudy or anyone that's running and they desperately want someone else.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 11:39 AM
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8. Will all the media hype trigger a "Dean" affect?
With that I mean: the way the media hyped the shit out of Dean so that many people just got tired of the whole thing, and then the MSM waited like vultures to feed on the carcass when the crap hit the fan. Will the front runner(s) go down in flames? It's that much longer that media has to dig up garbage on those high in the polls.

Gotta wonder. :think:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:25 PM
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12. Wouldn't it be funny if that strategy backfired?
Imagine a scenario where the big money dems all spend themselves dry trying to bleed the second teir candidates out of the race, and Dennis Kucinich's shoestring campaigning style keeps him in to the end?

On the grand old pedophile candidate-

JEB might indeed get ideas. I think that the voter backlash from 2000 and 2004 will stomp his candidacy flat.

I think it is either Brownback, or lose the puggie coaltion. I thik the paleocons are almost irrelevant at this point. They might try to force the issue, but it is them against the taliban and the neocons.


glad to see you feeling better.

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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:45 PM
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14. It is so much too early
for any of us to be very worked up for or against any potential candidate. What we all ought to be doing is mulling over the qualities we want in a candidate, and then simply watch who does and says what for the next year or so.

Sadly, hardly anyone is doing that. Instead, we have a lot of truly ignorant threads about how wonderful Candidate X is, or how terrible Candidate Y is with lots and lots of bashing of everyone. Or we see wishful pairings that probably aren't going to happen.

But it is important, as someone else actually mentioned on this thread, to be aware of who the Republicans nominate. Do consider your favorite and least favorite candidates against a various range of possible Republican nominees. And don't merely think about the polling that's been done, which purportedly shows Guiliani beating everyone. Think instead about how various combinations would play out: Hillary v. McCain. Edwards v.JEB Bush. Gore v. Romney. And so on and so forth. Each potential pairing will result in very different campaigns.

Also, while I realize that many of you have fond hopes about some candidate you favor as v-p, I personally believe that in this day and age the v-p candidate has no effect whatsoever on the vote. Think about it. For all of you who has voted in more than one election, is there honestly a v-p choice that would have made you switch parties? And I don't mean any silly "dream" pairing of one D with one R, but a realistic look at who conceivably might have become the v-p nominee.

Of course, I realize that this forum is mostly die-hard Democrats, and so we are not going to switch and vote for a Republican at the presidential level, barring something none of us could even imagine at this point. But for the great masses out there, the voters who supposedly aren't set well ahead of time for one candidate/party or the other. Does ANYONE really believe that the v-p choice actually switches votes? Or draws out a single voter who would otherwise have stayed home? Or keeps a voter home? I didn't think so.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:05 PM
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15. I like how neither of them are currently holding a political office
and are kind of like outsiders and have tremendous grass roots followings. I like your scenario. Either way, I want Gore to be president. It's good that neither of them are career politicians now even though Gore used to be.

No more senators.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:43 PM
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16. You might be on to something Stinky
I'm already tired of hearing about the '08 candidates so others might be too. I think most people will get serious about a candidate when it's closer to crunch time.

I can't think of two worse choices than Barbour and Gingrich on the other ticket but it would be well deserved.
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rep the dems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:57 PM
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17. I have to ask, who's Barbour? nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:01 PM
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19. Mississippi's esteemed Governor
Haley the Horrible



The very personification of the white fat-cat, politician.
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rep the dems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:18 PM
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21. Is there talk of him running for President? nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:10 PM
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24. Its a perennial conversation ......
..... he's a former RNC chair and has always been flirting with running. Given the quality of the rest of the pack this year, he can pass muster if he chooses to run.

Personally, I think he will.
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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:57 PM
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18. Yes Gore /Clark!
Totally unbeatable!
Please Al Run!!!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:13 PM
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20. Gore might go with Obama, too--
who seems to be learning on the fly, and is proving to be adept at counterpunching the rightwing noisemakers. On the Republic side, I've got a crazy-ass prediction coming right back at you: Holy Joe switches parties and squeaks out the nom, choosing one of the several southern governors (Huckabee, maybe) as his #2. I've been trying to figure out what game Lieberman is playing, and aside from cramming his offshore accounts with AIPAC money, this is all I can come up with...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:31 PM
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22. If you're nuts...well, then may the whole world go stark-raving mad.
It'd be a damn sight better than the life we're living now.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:34 PM
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23. Gore/Clark would be fantastic as far as i'm concerned
May your predictions come true.

Halley's gonna have to work on that twang. its even worse than bush's faux twang.
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