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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:11 PM
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GO PAT!!!! "Who forged those documents?!?"
Pat Buchanan on MSNBC.

Hate his politics, but the man's on.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:13 PM
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1. That right there should damn well be the next investigation. That would
bring them all down.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:16 PM
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2. When Americans learn the truth, they'll be screaming for more
than impeachment.

For the sake of this great nation, I pray the truth explodes all across the country.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:22 PM
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3. Ah, yes...The Yellow Cake Fakes.
Remember those? That's the real issue, isn't it?

And it goes to Karl Rove, the king of forgeries.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:22 PM
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4. He obviously knows there's a back story here.
And the answer to his question will lead back to the neo-cons who got us into this war. I can only conclude that Pat is adroit enough not to accuse these people directly, but to play dumb and bring the question back to the forefront. I hope a year from now I can hear Pat say, "I know I was a big proponent for getting to the root of the forgery question, but never in my wildest dreams did I think it would lead back to the PNACer's..."
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:40 PM
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5. Aye. I would look forward to that too. n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 10:42 PM
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6. that's one of the money questions
Who forged the documents?

How was Michael Ledeen involved?

Was the real intention to stop Brewster Jennings and tracking of weapon sales?

I firmly believe that the attacking of Wilson-Plame was not to punish Joe Wilson but rather to stop Valerie Plame from knowing what was going on with weapons proliferation and sales.

There is a deeper story. The narrative we've been fed about Plame-Wilson is like the sixteen words -- a limited framing.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:39 AM
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7. Totally agree...here's why.
(1) No way does Cheney keep his notes made on the NYT as a smoking gun, unless he wants to leave an evidentiary trail that points to political revenge.

(2) Why ask the CIA to send someone? He could have handpicked anyone to deliver the results he wanted. In fact, if Ladeen was involved with the fraudulent Niger doumentation, Cheney must have known about it. Why would he risk having an outsider report this back?

(3) Why make a big deal about a critical article in the NYT? They've ignored all kinds of critical Op-Eds and they had a compliant Congress that wasn't about to investigate anything with regards to this administration. The War was a done deal, so the only value of exposing it was to provide the basis for starting the political fight with Wilson

(4) Cheney's refusal to go under oath to be a sympathetic witness for Libby....too big a risk.


Obviously, he couldn't nuetralize the CIA's involvement with their tracking of WMD in the ME directly. But he could get his goons to out Ms. Plame as part of a political attack against Wilson....they do that well and there'd be no need to expose his real reason's for outing Plame to his henchmen.

I'm convinced that it was either to clear the way for smuggling WMD into Iraq or to cover his tracks on his business dealings with Pakistan in the 90's. Maybe he was afraid that Iraq had incriminating information in one of the ministry's that would have gone directly to the CIA and he couldn't take that chance.

If this was, in fact, the case that Plame was the #1 target...how Wilson was chosen to go is a big deal. We know Cheney was the prime mover and the RW is pushing that Valerie suggested Joe. But I don't think the chain of decision making has ever been clearly established on that point. I wonder why?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:44 AM
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8. did Fitz ever interview Ledeen?
And I wonder about Richard Perle. Was he interviewed?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:02 AM
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9. He never went down that path as far as I can tell.
He kept his investigation pretty narrow. Too bad people like Matthews haven't read 'American Judas'. He keeps asking about why Cheney never got the Wilson report, like that's some kind of key element in unlocking the whole story. He could really open his eyes to the range of possibilities if he'd only take his blinders off.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 03:31 PM
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12. "Lord of War" with Nicholas Cage.....
pretty much lays how this works, out....what makes anyone think it would just be small arms they would trade in??? Good Movie..actually scandalous when one thinks about it...based on true facts....
wb
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:21 PM
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10. Nigerian Diplomats

"Citing NATO sources, the newspaper reported an investigation has shown that Niger's consul in Rome and the personal assistant to its ambassador forged a contract with Saddam Hussein purporting to show he had been trying to buy uranium ore, known as yellowcake.

"The forgery was allegedly carried out for financial gain, after the ambassador's assistant was recruited by a former Italian police officer working as a French agent. When she passed on a report about a visit by a top Iraqi official to Niger, she was told that any proof Saddam was buying or trying to buy uranium would be well rewarded."

Link: http://story.nigeriasun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/8db1f72cde37faf3/id/159398/cs/1/


Sometimes a crook is just a crook.

Money makes the world go around, world go around, world go around...


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:35 PM
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11. My finger has long pointed to Michael LeDeen - it's his type of BFEE assignment
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 12:36 PM by blm
and the sloppiness came from the BFEE's post9-11 cockiness that held that everything BushInc did from that point on would be a cakewalk to get past the compliant media.
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